From jasper at pointless.net Sun Mar 24 23:24:33 2002 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:48 2003 Subject: [consume-thenet] IP address'd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Paul Cairney wrote: > could we not set up a charity/non-profit organisation to deal with this? Yes, (a one member one vote non-profit limited by gareente was the closest to what we wanted). Any lawers on the list who could help out? - -- Information wants to be a lumberjack. [http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBPJ5gNwCB+Qwuygl1AQFkdQf+MkeRwUPzz307jqFVw+efaAsDrG7eBARH vxWtdpIN8iSYHXVCpA2rjmGIosebP9Yk0FOMfMB7PqNverFstkxieDrSNUJIp+js D2GUmZKa4AnNbL5tiI7PoF6A/UiN7UeAbe3a5OIMJLwky9Mbp9ZGyQXWbtgXG7UN RKIhCq3f950Cg5zuB81HPUPFO0yYpC67s1flr9KtdnFqaU0uGuU4lvTflTXicTbK pnSPAQcLuN99FWGTZXE+qmDy7H0NlarsYM2/a3VeZIQwdb61dAdCUZDTMfO5lPkE 8naEJ9BekFGKm2lTV3nDWJsJ5q8u9dZveyUpLdSNtGLjgOUgb5NC7g== =u9ym -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at 01983.net Mon Mar 25 01:06:49 2002 From: paul at 01983.net (01983Net) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd References: Message-ID: <001f01c1d399$593224c0$d4333c3e@isletec> Setting the company is easy if you can get another gurantee company's Memorandum & Articles of Association as a model I can alter and do the rest by adding objects etc. Not a lawer but I set up my own companies. Or you could use exchange and mart formation agents but they cost more! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Jasper Wallace To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:24 PM Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Paul Cairney wrote: > > > could we not set up a charity/non-profit organisation to deal with this? > > Yes, (a one member one vote non-profit limited by gareente was the closest > to what we wanted). > > Any lawers on the list who could help out? > > - -- > Information wants to be a lumberjack. > [http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iQEVAwUBPJ5gNwCB+Qwuygl1AQFkdQf+MkeRwUPzz307jqFVw+efaAsDrG7eBARH > vxWtdpIN8iSYHXVCpA2rjmGIosebP9Yk0FOMfMB7PqNverFstkxieDrSNUJIp+js > D2GUmZKa4AnNbL5tiI7PoF6A/UiN7UeAbe3a5OIMJLwky9Mbp9ZGyQXWbtgXG7UN > RKIhCq3f950Cg5zuB81HPUPFO0yYpC67s1flr9KtdnFqaU0uGuU4lvTflTXicTbK > pnSPAQcLuN99FWGTZXE+qmDy7H0NlarsYM2/a3VeZIQwdb61dAdCUZDTMfO5lPkE > 8naEJ9BekFGKm2lTV3nDWJsJ5q8u9dZveyUpLdSNtGLjgOUgb5NC7g== > =u9ym > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-legal-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-legal-help@lists.consume.net > > From dominic.pinto at ieee.org Mon Mar 25 10:56:23 2002 From: dominic.pinto at ieee.org (Dominic Pinto) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd References: <001f01c1d399$593224c0$d4333c3e@isletec> Message-ID: <3C9F0257.E454AB13@ieee.org> 01983Net wrote: > > Setting the company is easy if you can get another gurantee company's > Memorandum & Articles of Association as a model I can alter and do the rest > by adding objects etc. > > Not a lawer but I set up my own companies. Or you could use exchange and > mart formation agents but they cost more! > The ISOC-E memorandum and articles of association may be a helpful model then. They were prepared by Manches of Oxford - see www.england.isoc.org. Dominic -- Dominic Pinto ------------- | Barn Cottage, Hill House Senior Associate Telesphere Limited | Somerton Road, | between Souldern & Somerton http://www.telespherelimited.com | Bicester, Oxon, OX25 6LS, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ph/Fax: +44 1869 346375 Cellphone/GSM Mobile: +44 780 302 8268 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Friend or Former Student at University of Newcastle upon Tyne? 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If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately." /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Mail From bms at spc.org Mon Mar 25 12:57:36 2002 From: bms at spc.org (Bruce M Simpson) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd In-Reply-To: ; from jasper@pointless.net on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 11:24:33PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> Hi, On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 11:24:33PM +0000, Jasper Wallace wrote: > > could we not set up a charity/non-profit organisation to deal with this? > > Yes, (a one member one vote non-profit limited by gareente was the closest > to what we wanted). > Any lawers on the list who could help out? We shouldn't need a lawyer to build this kind of organisation from scratch, but if we need independent verification of the MoA and AoA documents, then their help may be useful. So it seems that in order to play ball, and get IP addresses, we have to present an organisation to the other organisations in that field, be they for-profit, not-for-profit, or industry associations and what have you/. Here we have a quandary, however. I thought the whole point of this thing was it wasn't an organisation. ;-) Julian? BMS From dominic.pinto at ieee.org Mon Mar 25 14:18:02 2002 From: dominic.pinto at ieee.org (Dominic Pinto) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd References: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> Message-ID: <3C9F319A.4BC819A8@ieee.org> > > We shouldn't need a lawyer to build this kind of organisation from scratch, > but if we need independent verification of the MoA and AoA documents, then > their help may be useful. Use a model constitution etc., but make sure that it is valid and drafted properly without holes or nonsense. > So it seems that in order to play ball, and get IP addresses, we have to > present an organisation to the other organisations in that field, be they > for-profit, not-for-profit, or industry associations and what have you/. Generally most organisations (or people) want to deal either with a legal person in the form of a validated human being or an organisation of some description - i.e. legal entities with whom to contract, pursue for bad debt, etc. > Here we have a quandary, however. I thought the whole point of this > thing was it wasn't an organisation. ;-) Julian? > It may not be incorporated, but we can be and are an unincorporated association (even us lurkers on the sidelines could be regarded as such if we contribute views, advice, opinions, etc. From paul at 01983.net Mon Mar 25 16:39:53 2002 From: paul at 01983.net (01983Net) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd References: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> <3C9F319A.4BC819A8@ieee.org> Message-ID: <005901c1d41b$fca71b60$10333c3e@isletec> I would be interested in using my comany to be the organisation to get the IP addresses and then allocate them but would probobly need someone to manage this re consume etc. I do not know the way this is setup with the powers that be or the costs involved but am happy to seriously look at this if any one can tell me the procedures and other aspects. It could be useful to my company at some point anyway. With The ISOC-E memorandum and articles of association as a model www.england.isoc.org. if a copy can be got in text form it would be easy to alter these to suit if that is then wanted and that then takes over. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Dominic Pinto To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd > > > > > We shouldn't need a lawyer to build this kind of organisation from scratch, > > but if we need independent verification of the MoA and AoA documents, then > > their help may be useful. > > Use a model constitution etc., but make sure that it is valid and > drafted properly without holes or nonsense. > > > So it seems that in order to play ball, and get IP addresses, we have to > > present an organisation to the other organisations in that field, be they > > for-profit, not-for-profit, or industry associations and what have you/. > > Generally most organisations (or people) want to deal either with a > legal person in the form of a validated human being or an organisation > of some description - i.e. legal entities with whom to contract, pursue > for bad debt, etc. > > > Here we have a quandary, however. I thought the whole point of this > > thing was it wasn't an organisation. ;-) Julian? > > > It may not be incorporated, but we can be and are an unincorporated > association (even us lurkers on the sidelines could be regarded as such > if we contribute views, advice, opinions, etc. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-legal-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-legal-help@lists.consume.net > > From bms at spc.org Mon Mar 25 17:41:23 2002 From: bms at spc.org (Bruce M Simpson) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd In-Reply-To: <005901c1d41b$fca71b60$10333c3e@isletec>; from paul@01983.net on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:39:53PM -0000 References: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> <3C9F319A.4BC819A8@ieee.org> <005901c1d41b$fca71b60$10333c3e@isletec> Message-ID: <20020325174123.A29529@spc.org> Yeah. But the whole point of establishing an independent org. is to ensure fair play where Consume is concerned; it just makes good business sense for the community goal being played out, otherwise, bad things have a tendency to happen. This needs to be done in a manner which protects the community interest and doesn't allow commercial exploitation; I could well use a limited company of my own to advance Consummate interests, but the body corporate has to be responsible to the body incorporate. BMS On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:39:53PM -0000, 01983Net wrote: > I would be interested in using my comany to be the organisation to get the > IP addresses and then allocate them but would probobly need someone to > manage this re consume etc. > From paul at 01983.net Mon Mar 25 18:05:57 2002 From: paul at 01983.net (01983Net) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd References: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> <3C9F319A.4BC819A8@ieee.org> <005901c1d41b$fca71b60$10333c3e@isletec> <20020325174123.A29529@spc.org> Message-ID: <001901c1d427$bb429300$782d3c3e@isletec> Fine I was just making a non commercial suggestion not expolitaion. As with any thing any one can expoit anything even an Org which is why i have a company as it reduces exposure to that. What is the priority the IPs or the Org? If some one can get the M&A copy I will start work, again no expliotation. It only needs to cost ?30 costs not charges. My company idea was just an interim suggestion as forming a group org will involve a lot of toing a frowing, if I was given the details of who to talk to at the powers that be ect anyway I can at least do the ground work. Prepared to start this tommorow. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce M Simpson To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd > Yeah. But the whole point of establishing an independent org. is to ensure > fair play where Consume is concerned; it just makes good business sense > for the community goal being played out, otherwise, bad things have a > tendency to happen. > > This needs to be done in a manner which protects the community > interest and doesn't allow commercial exploitation; I could well use a > limited company of my own to advance Consummate interests, but the > body corporate has to be responsible to the body incorporate. > > BMS > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:39:53PM -0000, 01983Net wrote: > > I would be interested in using my comany to be the organisation to get the > > IP addresses and then allocate them but would probobly need someone to > > manage this re consume etc. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-legal-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-legal-help@lists.consume.net > From paul at 01983.net Mon Mar 25 18:08:08 2002 From: paul at 01983.net (01983Net) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd References: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> <3C9F319A.4BC819A8@ieee.org> <005901c1d41b$fca71b60$10333c3e@isletec> <20020325174123.A29529@spc.org> Message-ID: <002101c1d428$05b4cd40$782d3c3e@isletec> I did suggest consume people to manage it, so everything was above board, unless I did not make that clear. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce M Simpson To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd > Yeah. But the whole point of establishing an independent org. is to ensure > fair play where Consume is concerned; it just makes good business sense > for the community goal being played out, otherwise, bad things have a > tendency to happen. > > This needs to be done in a manner which protects the community > interest and doesn't allow commercial exploitation; I could well use a > limited company of my own to advance Consummate interests, but the > body corporate has to be responsible to the body incorporate. > > BMS > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:39:53PM -0000, 01983Net wrote: > > I would be interested in using my comany to be the organisation to get the > > IP addresses and then allocate them but would probobly need someone to > > manage this re consume etc. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-legal-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-legal-help@lists.consume.net > From bms at spc.org Mon Mar 25 18:22:03 2002 From: bms at spc.org (Bruce M Simpson) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd In-Reply-To: <002101c1d428$05b4cd40$782d3c3e@isletec>; from paul@01983.net on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:08:08PM -0000 References: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> <3C9F319A.4BC819A8@ieee.org> <005901c1d41b$fca71b60$10333c3e@isletec> <20020325174123.A29529@spc.org> <002101c1d428$05b4cd40$782d3c3e@isletec> Message-ID: <20020325182202.B29529@spc.org> Paul, Was not in any way implying or suggesting that that would not be the case, now we've got that out of the way let's discuss the way forward :-) Talk soon, BMS. On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:08:08PM -0000, 01983Net wrote: > I did suggest consume people to manage it, so everything was above board, > unless I did not make that clear. From andrewwoods at dork.com Mon Mar 25 21:35:35 2002 From: andrewwoods at dork.com (andrewwoods@dork.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: confirm unsubscribe from consume-legal@lists.consume.net Message-ID: <200203252135.g2PLZZfp017333@dork.COM> _____________________________________________ help d0rK.c0m stay banner free. Click below. http://www.dork.com/band/legal.html From james at spc.org Tue Mar 26 15:51:35 2002 From: james at spc.org (James Stevens) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:23:49 2003 Subject: [consume-legal] Re: [consume-thenet] IP address'd In-Reply-To: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> References: <20020325125736.K21851@spc.org> Message-ID: Listen set up whatever you like but don't use consume.net or I will come round and get you... 0: seriously though, 3 months must have passed since we last had a flurry of this corporate bollocks.. we do not need to incorporate, charitise or any other form of time wasting formalisation of CONSUME other than our collective will to exchange and collaborate.. are you saying you are tired of that already? sounds to me like a distinct lack of imagination at work when I hear about how good it would be to become a registered charity limited by gaurentee.. you wankers have spent too much time at work or something. trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net.. that's all.. is that asking too much? now if you want to appeal to internet institutions and apply for IP allocations then fuckin cool.. how can I help? james >Hi, > >On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 11:24:33PM +0000, Jasper Wallace wrote: >> > could we not set up a charity/non-profit organisation to deal with this? >> >> Yes, (a one member one vote non-profit limited by gareente was the closest >> to what we wanted). >> Any lawers on the list who could help out? > >We shouldn't need a lawyer to build this kind of organisation from scratch, >but if we need independent verification of the MoA and AoA documents, then >their help may be useful. > >So it seems that in order to play ball, and get IP addresses, we have to >present an organisation to the other organisations in that field, be they >for-profit, not-for-profit, or industry associations and what have you/. > >Here we have a quandary, however. I thought the whole point of this >thing was it wasn't an organisation. ;-) Julian? > >BMS > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-legal-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net >For additional commands, e-mail: consume-legal-help@lists.consume.net -- James Stevens <-----------------> 07973318881 DECKSPACE:unit 06: Borough Hall: Royal Hill: Greenwich: SE10 8RE http://dek.spc.org <-----------------> Founded 2001 http://consume.net <-----------------> Founded 2000 "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net"