From jasper at pointless.net Fri Aug 3 18:27:04 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-thenet] New entry for /software/temporary-IP-list.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Kim Hawtin wrote: > > > good plan. now if only we had someone doing nod db work... :) > > > I've already got a new front end to it running, but i need to upgrade the > > software on www.consume.net before it can go up there. > > > > Please get on the consume-resources mailing list if your into SQL, web > > design, user interface design, geo data manipulation, and co-ordinate system > > conversions, or have any other appropiate skills :-P > > give me a yell if i can help. > i am willing to test/helpout as much as i can. > i have done quite a bit of php/mysql work > and am interested in the geo and coordinate stuff (need gps). [I'm cc'ing consume-resources, cos this is a good chunk of the notes i wanted to write up ;-)] We need code thet can be called from php (possibly written in php, possibly using gmp for extra accuracy) that can: parse all the different Lat/long formats out there and convert them to one common format. (which the consume perl stuff pretty much already does). convert the following formats to/from each other: WGS84 (i.e. GPS) OSGB (UK grid i.e. not lat/long) NAD-83 (used by mapblast for the uk (?)) wacky meter grid format as used by multimap.co.uk, which is what consume uses at the moment (which i think is OSGB without the two letter prefix's). and possibly others. ( we want to be able to import from: postcode (which we get as the 'wacky meter grid format') WGS84 (from GPS's) OSGB (from people with maps) and export to 'wacky meter grid format' (for multimap) NAD-83 (for mapblast) WGS84 (for GPS's) OSGB (from people with maps) ) I have some book marks for the code to do this, but it's on my other machine, at home. but a google search will find the stuff for you ;-) We may also want code to convert altitudes, but i think we can live without it for the moment... The main unanswered question is: what common format do we use for all the co-ords in the database? I'm happy with OSGB cos then we can pretend that world is flat, and doing distance calculations is easy too. It's also easy to dump co-ords into multimap.co.uk, but we have to convert to lat/long for mapblast. The current consume db is a mess internaly, it keys on 'post codes' which sometimes are random strings[2], and some times post codes which then looked up in another table which maps postcodes to uk grid[1], but the postcodes cases may not match so you need to do UPPER(postcode) in the sql, which means that it needs to scan the entire table which makes things very slow. ick. of course if we use uk grid we can't represent any nodes outside the uk, but watch me not care. It may also limit the software's useability outside the uk, but e.g. france, germany, and switzerland all use 1km grids like the uk, so porting our code to france or germany would be easy. [1] at least i think it's uk grid, it's a grid anyway, but dosn't include the two leter prefix - it's just a straight meter grid... [2] e.g. 'scotland'. ick. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO2rQ2wCB+Qwuygl1AQEIVQf9HKb4e0yJHfMviiGjwDBaJ05Gkeb7cove lidYZuH1g+cre/ZTK2c5nU4ZFDAOqY/R8/ID/7cUjFi/8cq9doRzFAo4CixhLvAv nzhAxVtyfWnm2XuewBinrm9QI8H11Reh6OufJUiVXaHaElCF3GLUfBpr+UQkNTyM et3ReEYoMPbb16fwXIU/RLbKw3cdFWzW+OVS0A1cb+UwUAYdQH4RXtLcswrJoUJE zrf6cKYZaSuLtJwEiGIrlNLxW9eHW5mtyrdYYSJV7gRsddZSppimfx32WFk0P2bV Eb2Y/Wj1cIoyWqs35FLbPhfr/li+pJlPc/0yaAP7yTZlHuefuOFOMQ== =/mEF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From honk at hopf.org Sat Aug 4 12:38:24 2001 From: honk at hopf.org (Honk) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] Re: [consume-thenet] New entry for/software/temporary-IP-list.txt References: Message-ID: <3B6BD0A0.D8CE2D60@hopf.org> Jasper Wallace wrote: [SNIP] > of course if we use uk grid we can't represent any nodes outside the uk, Thankfully not quite true. The OS grid (2 letters followed by some numbers) covers the whole world; it just tends to be used for UK only, except maybe by the military. Cheers, Honk [SNIP] -- Honk Phone: +44 (20) 8992 0677 Email: honk@hopf.org PGP key on keyservers From ben at algroup.co.uk Sat Aug 4 12:57:10 2001 From: ben at algroup.co.uk (Ben Laurie) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] Re: [consume-thenet] New entry for/software/temporary-IP-list.txt References: <3B6BD0A0.D8CE2D60@hopf.org> Message-ID: <3B6BD506.AEE2D398@algroup.co.uk> Honk wrote: > > Jasper Wallace wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > of course if we use uk grid we can't represent any nodes outside the uk, > > Thankfully not quite true. The OS grid (2 letters followed by some > numbers) covers the whole world; it just tends to be used for UK only, > except maybe by the military. lat/long would make more sense to me, though. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From woody at netsw.co.uk Sat Aug 4 16:08:01 2001 From: woody at netsw.co.uk (Woody) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] Re: [consume-thenet] New entry for/software/temporary-IP-list.txt In-Reply-To: <3B6BD0A0.D8CE2D60@hopf.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Honk wrote: > > of course if we use uk grid we can't represent any nodes outside the uk, > > Thankfully not quite true. The OS grid (2 letters followed by some > numbers) covers the whole world; it just tends to be used for UK only, > except maybe by the military. I'm not sure about this. In order to represent a sphere (e.g the earth) on a flat surface (e.g a map) you need to do a few translations. Now I know that the system we use to convert Log,Lat to UK grid is different from the method the French use, as the UK is taller than it is wide, and Francs is a sort of square-ish region. The further you get from the UK on the UK Grid the bigger the errors between your map and the real world. Long and Lat seams like the sensible system to use. Regards Woody ----------------------------------------------- Scott C. Wood Mobile: 07968 162408 Director Net South-West Ltd. 23 Symes Park, Weston, Bath. BA1 4PA. Tel/Fax 01225 317631 PGP key can be found at: http://www.netsw.co.uk/woodykey.html You have a right to privacy. Use it or lose it. ----------------------------------------------- From jasper at pointless.net Sat Aug 4 16:47:12 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] Re: [consume-thenet] New entry for/software/temporary-IP-list.txt In-Reply-To: <3B6BD0A0.D8CE2D60@hopf.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Honk wrote: > Jasper Wallace wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > of course if we use uk grid we can't represent any nodes outside the uk, > > Thankfully not quite true. The OS grid (2 letters followed by some > numbers) covers the whole world; it just tends to be used for UK only, > except maybe by the military. Are you sure? i thought i couldn't be - the OS grid is a grid, it has no pretentions to being mapable onto a sphere. Also the 'ellipsis' (the planet isn't a perfect sphere, so if your producing a 2d planar map you choose an ellipsiod thats a good fit for which bit of the world your mapping, this ellipsis is different from e.g. WGS84, by quite a distance in places) - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO2wK8wCB+Qwuygl1AQFdQgf+Jgt58nWVMzCTo7TyCJRQsDcvQk65O0Le rtaTFOwIU+lxW/gH8Bs+0L+93qe5Bz/Lksb2drPAT+3KYR0q9H70Kza9YOV9Mgpy ThUctksAKOR6deJkdQM669THoVyoGo0OnOcfBp0bIkuNneHJzvtVLTQ50Mh+6We8 Wmx+C01eRHTYjQxMxfFmRZiZacYFPE/1eDjcF1PZpKVB4eXyoYOzdMWk+/XPc1XA NwqJEak8GYudO9hTKTmc5WGl78rcwHhrTNr6J4CD0s5G7oblG/LbxBCGDUkz/K55 usjuySxOMtZT54vYtxlDHEdLknkQOO57tbdMGOGYG/gZjg3Bu7k+rw== =OfgY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From honk at hopf.org Sat Aug 4 19:01:19 2001 From: honk at hopf.org (Honk) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] Re: [consume-thenet] Newentryfor/software/temporary-IP-list.txt References: Message-ID: <3B6C2A5F.21A3B31B@hopf.org> Jasper Wallace wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Honk wrote: > > > Jasper Wallace wrote: > > > > [SNIP] > > > > > of course if we use uk grid we can't represent any nodes outside the uk, > > > > Thankfully not quite true. The OS grid (2 letters followed by some > > numbers) covers the whole world; it just tends to be used for UK only, > > except maybe by the military. > > Are you sure? i thought i couldn't be - the OS grid is a grid, it has no > pretentions to being mapable onto a sphere. Apologies, I was wrong :( Although I believe that the OS grid has something to do with the whole world and not centered on the UK (hence the 'S' or 'T' prefixes rather than 'A', etc.) a little research fails to back me up on this and as Woody's point is blatantly right I must be wrong. Damn, I must have been thinking of something else. Cheers, Honk > Also the 'ellipsis' (the planet isn't a perfect sphere, so if your producing > a 2d planar map you choose an ellipsiod thats a good fit for which bit of > the world your mapping, this ellipsis is different from e.g. WGS84, by quite > a distance in places) > > - -- > When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your > Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's > slightly dizzy from hunger. > [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iQEVAwUBO2wK8wCB+Qwuygl1AQFdQgf+Jgt58nWVMzCTo7TyCJRQsDcvQk65O0Le > rtaTFOwIU+lxW/gH8Bs+0L+93qe5Bz/Lksb2drPAT+3KYR0q9H70Kza9YOV9Mgpy > ThUctksAKOR6deJkdQM669THoVyoGo0OnOcfBp0bIkuNneHJzvtVLTQ50Mh+6We8 > Wmx+C01eRHTYjQxMxfFmRZiZacYFPE/1eDjcF1PZpKVB4eXyoYOzdMWk+/XPc1XA > NwqJEak8GYudO9hTKTmc5WGl78rcwHhrTNr6J4CD0s5G7oblG/LbxBCGDUkz/K55 > usjuySxOMtZT54vYtxlDHEdLknkQOO57tbdMGOGYG/gZjg3Bu7k+rw== > =OfgY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-resources-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-resources-help@lists.consume.net -- Honk Phone: +44 (20) 8992 0677 Email: honk@hopf.org PGP key on keyservers From jasper at pointless.net Sat Aug 4 22:49:00 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: php-map stuff Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is an appeal to the web gurus out there - if you click on the map below it recenters to where you click. At least it does in Mozilla and Netscape 4.x. IE 4.01 will refresh the image, and if you tick or untick the "don't draw labels" check box it will obey that too, but it dosn't ever recenter the map - are there any known gotcha's with IE not passing x and y coords through ?!?!?! ArrrrrrrrRRRRRRGHGHGHGHGGG found it, IE4 translates: ¢er_y=42 to er_y=42 Very, VERY, rude words indeed. Also i'm using png's and IE 4 works with then if you *DONT'T* send a Content-Type: image/png header. (Which is totally fubar'd in my book!) - could this be the result of having a wierd mime type setup? Any way here's the current version, running off of the current database: http://217.204.252.18/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php The database dump is a day or so old. Bug reports of other bugs are welcome too. (the "don't draw range circles" checkbox hasn't been implemented yet, but might be by the time you get this mail). BTW: this is my laptop on the end of an adsl line - it will probably go away when i go to sleep ;-) - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO2xfvgCB+Qwuygl1AQG6sQf/QwL9v7sQJU848VYLNdZpZ4gL2ETY2xTD vAvUAmRdaLYn4hFZzRvW5SkGCozhxgFbcX1uamKu/mc8BnorF8782uXXOfif9dku 5meDB0DPvmF5IRd9Cwm9wT3VvGQXlzqp7fdmCkgpIJNveZY/EXgxHG2bnJPnm5vO PzovdBPhTHazlY+llPtxB3/GyAKwwubVRuH8w3qr3BTqA9IL5+Fij9+/aUjkYTGS hC6f8QAOAje5bkeLUBy4adPyJSVkcIQ7ceONLb+djVmWB2lFLxjWrDsILYt1t1BW 9X2TNFg/opiTELUhr08H/hKlNa+KwckcF2JqvzFpysLFxfJa1nW3Gw== =QOzO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at spc.org Sat Aug 4 04:14:06 2001 From: james at spc.org (james) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hI Jasper... I see you new work.. lookin good.. did you see my recent mail to you n'all? please give it a read... and let me know what your plan is over this week end.. also I have been tackling some graphical ideas for you to include if you can find a space .. now I can see what you are up to I wil build some for you.. in the meantime... http://dek.spc.org/consume/images/ have alook at all.gif to see a collage of stuff and then you may get a better Idea of where I am off to.. hey are you still up? easy James >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >This is an appeal to the web gurus out there - if you click on the map below >it recenters to where you click. At least it does in Mozilla and Netscape >4.x. IE 4.01 will refresh the image, and if you tick or untick the "don't >draw labels" check box it will obey that too, but it dosn't ever recenter >the map - are there any known gotcha's with IE not passing x and y coords >through ?!?!?! > >ArrrrrrrrRRRRRRGHGHGHGHGGG > >found it, IE4 translates: > >¢er_y=42 > >to > >er_y=42 > >Very, VERY, rude words indeed. > >Also i'm using png's and IE 4 works with then if you *DONT'T* send a >Content-Type: image/png header. (Which is totally fubar'd in my book!) - >could this be the result of having a wierd mime type setup? > >Any way here's the current version, running off of the current database: > >http://217.204.252.18/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php > >The database dump is a day or so old. > >Bug reports of other bugs are welcome too. > >(the "don't draw range circles" checkbox hasn't been implemented yet, but >might be by the time you get this mail). > >BTW: this is my laptop on the end of an adsl line - it will probably go >away when i go to sleep ;-) > >- -- >When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your >Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's >slightly dizzy from hunger. >[see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iQEVAwUBO2xfvgCB+Qwuygl1AQG6sQf/QwL9v7sQJU848VYLNdZpZ4gL2ETY2xTD >vAvUAmRdaLYn4hFZzRvW5SkGCozhxgFbcX1uamKu/mc8BnorF8782uXXOfif9dku >5meDB0DPvmF5IRd9Cwm9wT3VvGQXlzqp7fdmCkgpIJNveZY/EXgxHG2bnJPnm5vO >PzovdBPhTHazlY+llPtxB3/GyAKwwubVRuH8w3qr3BTqA9IL5+Fij9+/aUjkYTGS >hC6f8QAOAje5bkeLUBy4adPyJSVkcIQ7ceONLb+djVmWB2lFLxjWrDsILYt1t1BW >9X2TNFg/opiTELUhr08H/hKlNa+KwckcF2JqvzFpysLFxfJa1nW3Gw== >=QOzO >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-resources-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net >For additional commands, e-mail: consume-resources-help@lists.consume.net James Stevens <-------> 07973318881 DECKSPACE <-------> http://dek.spc.org unit 06 Borough Hall Royal Hill Greenwich London SE10 8RE "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net" http://consume.net From james at spc.org Sat Aug 4 04:15:27 2001 From: james at spc.org (james) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: db work in progress Message-ID: >>Hi Jasper ( n'all ), >> >>Great to hear you plan to get your teeth into the node DB this weekend.. >>where are you planning to do this? >> >>As you know much has already been suggested and worked through in terms >>of what would be desirable.. The node Db is at the heart of the >>activities for consume.. out of which we will be able to draw the useful >>info to support the pairing of nodes, routing ID, sorting and searching >>for accessible nodes, presentation of none identity, and visualisation of >>the network propagation. >> >>For a start, mailing list and node db should be one... where list >>membership is the first level of involvement and the key to node >>establishment. Thereafter it's a question of upgrading the status of >>node; speculative, under constuction, in testing, operational and >>off-line and subscription to subject specific discussion.. hardware >>software and orchestration. >> >>Each change in node status should trigger a fresh wave of information and >>support/acknowledgement culminating in a node ready announcement >> >>Announce postings could be displayed on a simple slashdot type >>presentation subject to the above classifications.. and a bit of >>moderation..along with some raw statistical information on node volume >>and international propagation.. users on the system, CONSUME nodes at >>each status, estimated compatible nodes taking into account our Seattle >>cousins, availability of equipment, node software development etc... >> >>On the Node level those of us who have had time to consider the onward >>stages of use have already added services that others may like to >>consider.. IRC, RealMedia, Webserver and SMS relays. We should certainly >>be considering how to distribute the core of consume data to be on offer >>at each node, At least a node report. >> >>On a pairing-peering level where the nodes turned up in a search may be >>in range to link up, we should consider how best to promote and present >>the standard agreement. I think it would be good to offer a trigger from >>each node record that would send a mail to that node requesting link >>xchange and the formal acknowledgement by return, key or whatever. Each >>node record would then hold info about its configuration a peering log >>with clear references to each peer and a public account of the process. >> >>This could also be an opertunity to record edge network relationships, >>nature of (i)nterconnection, technical specification, web services >>available, consume wares etc.. the seed for further propagation. >> >>whilst the postcode ID has been useful it does seem to be a little >>inaccurate at the local scale and certainly full gps or other locational >>data source would now be preferable and would help those around the world >>to utilise our solutions. >> >>The node search and mapping tools we have running are restricted to >>simple listings. It would certainly be great to be able to easily >>identify operational nodes only or omit the speculative. Visually each >>state should have its associated key or just colour and even suggest omni >>, directional or wired nature. >> >>too much already....! ....this is the third time I have written this over >>the last 9 months.. we need a search tool for the list archives.. >> >>I am around all weekend if you want to review anything >> >>easy >> >>James >> >>>> good plan. now if only we had someone doing nod db work... :) >>> >>>I'm going to be doing a bunch of stuff this weekend on it. >>> >>>I've already got a new front end to it running, but i need to upgrade the >>>software on www.consume.net before it can go up there. >>> >>>Please get on the consume-resources mailing list if your into SQL, web >>>design, user interface design, geo data manipulation, and co-ordinate system >>>conversions, or have any other appropriate skills :-P >>> >> >> > > James Stevens <-------> 07973318881 DECKSPACE <-------> http://dek.spc.org unit 06 Borough Hall Royal Hill Greenwich London SE10 8RE "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net" http://consume.net From jasper at pointless.net Sun Aug 5 04:31:23 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, james wrote: > hI Jasper... > > > I see you new work.. lookin good.. did you see my recent mail to you n'all? > please give it a read... yeah, i really want to keep things as simple as possible. I realise that there is some milage in producing code that others can reuse for there own consume like projects, but trying to make a unified database that coveres the planet is going beyond our bounds a bit. From a simplicication point of view sticking with a meter grid based system is an easy move to make - the conversion code to/from lat/long etc can be extended to include e.g. the Swiss, German, and French grid (with a view to doing de.consume.net, fr.consume.net etc - it will just slows things down trying to put the whole planet in one db), i think the only place that's not likely to have a native meter grid format is the US, where they seem to like those 'mile' things. I need to finish my proposal/notes and post, will either do tonight or tommorow. > and let me know what your plan is over this week end.. code. sleep. code. > also I have been tackling some graphical ideas for you to include if you > can find a space .. now I can see what you are up to I wil build some for > you.. in the meantime... http://dek.spc.org/consume/images/ wow! i really like the 'c in the area' thingy - would makeing it monocrome cut down on printing costs? or it it not worth bothering? Hmm, and we should really include the url... > have alook at all.gif to see a collage of stuff and then you may get a > better Idea of where I am off to.. whats 3-7-11 btw? frequencys? prime numbers? why? > hey are you still up? yeah. sleep is for the weak ;-) - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO2ywAACB+Qwuygl1AQGRmQf+MUyYAaXwZrdkUw+Arkv9qLQyYp3nirUv Aduve8f2jcxLSchMc9Bi79tphDMSCsODXgmauxcTn+fOU4u3FN5mww4q8PIRq1zN ukFuqacAk/DMWraDLSff7jHH7DcrklwUcbkKjAO4b6LlJF6vj0FHqyi1RewBilNL yRU4kCMsrIDvgNfK1L3yLWbvg9fQ/l8Fk6Rx/uYBiDeJeSEbRMk3mYUNsHj7+s7V rWb0BorJsNZyFgu35H9CzFkdDaEoppILXhoMnHFxbandOOK1KOo1127TjM+i79TC qHZ5RYxM4nCyalI6PtXV1FACOjkSirzoOYNH4ZLBINEFvqjoyVfuPg== =QoJ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at spc.org Sat Aug 4 12:26:11 2001 From: james at spc.org (james) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI again, are you sure about the OS grid thing I thought the Latlong was the way to do it..? then we only have to concern the db with one set of absolute data then we can map consume on one surface..i.e. globe should not beyond our bounds at all.. if we use mobile mesh as seems possible then maybe that could be hooked in to maintain a local db view of node propogation alongside the routing cashe...? I really don't want to be nationalising consume if ya see what I mean.. let not have borders except at the growing edge of the network... > >whats 3-7-11 btw? frequencys? prime numbers? why? > It struck me that already nodes are running of diferent channels and that we shouldn't be using channels next to each other.. If we say consume always runs on the prime channels.. that leaves a few for others to use.. (; 3,7 and 11 well they are the best ones don't ya think? we could also use 13 in the current range.. if it gets expended which seems inevitable.. then we can continue to appropriate the range. more graphics soon colours greys whatever... so far I am building consume can - community area network consume ita - in the area consume prime - as above... and am thinking about consume wave - wireless audio visual environment more later James James Stevens <-------> 07973318881 DECKSPACE <-------> http://dek.spc.org unit 06 Borough Hall Royal Hill Greenwich London SE10 8RE "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net" http://consume.net From ben at algroup.co.uk Sun Aug 5 13:50:16 2001 From: ben at algroup.co.uk (Ben Laurie) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff References: Message-ID: <3B6D32F8.F14B7694@algroup.co.uk> james wrote: > also I have been tackling some graphical ideas for you to include if you > can find a space .. now I can see what you are up to I wil build some for > you.. in the meantime... http://dek.spc.org/consume/images/ Cute, though the big loop goes a little wiggly. BTW, I should point out that in the UK with the recommended 5 channel spacing, we can have 4 channels coexisting - 1, 5, 9, 13 - so promoting 3, 7, 11 isn't such a great idea! In fact, its a rather bad one. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From ben at algroup.co.uk Sun Aug 5 13:52:03 2001 From: ben at algroup.co.uk (Ben Laurie) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff References: Message-ID: <3B6D3363.AD5D9E26@algroup.co.uk> james wrote: > > HI again, > > are you sure about the OS grid thing I thought the Latlong was the way to > do it..? then we only have to concern the db with one set of absolute data > then we can map consume on one surface..i.e. globe should not beyond our > bounds at all.. if we use mobile mesh as seems possible then maybe that > could be hooked in to maintain a local db view of node propogation > alongside the routing cashe...? I really don't want to be nationalising > consume if ya see what I mean.. let not have borders except at the growing > edge of the network... > > > > >whats 3-7-11 btw? frequencys? prime numbers? why? > > > > It struck me that already nodes are running of diferent channels and that > we shouldn't be using channels next to each other.. If we say consume > always runs on the prime channels.. that leaves a few for others to use.. > (; 3,7 and 11 well they are the best ones don't ya think? we could also Errr ... 2 and 5 are prime, too. But like I say, we should run 1, 5, 9, 13. If we always start at 1, say, then in most cases we'd leave at least 13 free. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From consume at lists.colondot.net Sun Aug 5 15:56:24 2001 From: consume at lists.colondot.net (Matthew Byng-Maddick) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: <3B6D3363.AD5D9E26@algroup.co.uk>; from ben@algroup.co.uk on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 12:52:03PM +0100 References: <3B6D3363.AD5D9E26@algroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010805145624.B36451@colon.colondot.net> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 12:52:03PM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: > Errr ... 2 and 5 are prime, too. But like I say, we should run 1, 5, 9, > 13. If we always start at 1, say, then in most cases we'd leave at least > 13 free. Can I mention the four-colour proof at this point? It is *much* more sensible IMHO to use 4 channels rather than three. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick http://colondot.net/ From ben at algroup.co.uk Sun Aug 5 16:55:25 2001 From: ben at algroup.co.uk (Ben Laurie) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff References: <3B6D3363.AD5D9E26@algroup.co.uk> <20010805145624.B36451@colon.colondot.net> Message-ID: <3B6D5E5D.5A302B71@algroup.co.uk> Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 12:52:03PM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: > > Errr ... 2 and 5 are prime, too. But like I say, we should run 1, 5, 9, > > 13. If we always start at 1, say, then in most cases we'd leave at least > > 13 free. > > Can I mention the four-colour proof at this point? It is *much* more > sensible IMHO to use 4 channels rather than three. I don't think you can apply the four-colour theorem to this situation, but anyway, more is definitely better. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From jasper at pointless.net Sun Aug 5 16:41:21 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: Access to the consume website and node db... (fwd) Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I tried to send this to the list yesterday, but it never turned up. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:16:40 +0100 (BST) From: Jasper Wallace To: Adam Laurie Cc: robert@tetrapod.com, consume-resources@consume.net Subject: Re: Access to the consume website and node db... On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Adam Laurie wrote: > Jasper Wallace wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Adam Laurie wrote: > > > > > Jasper Wallace wrote: > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > > > > Hi, again > > > > > > > > it's been a week, so gentle prod etc... > > > > > > apologies - was away beginning of the week & weekend.... user jasper > > > created - please call me for access to cvs & plot on updating website > > > etc... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Would it be possible to get shells/zsh, editors/joe, and misc/colorls on > > there too? (the last is not really needed, but it's pretty). > > > > (i realise that you havn't got ports on there - i'm happy to compile them up > > myself and just use them from my account if it's a hassle). > > i've added you to the "software" group - if you look in ~software you'll > see how we arrange it - i don't like ports, so we put the tarballs in > ~software/archives and unpack them into ~software unpacked - when you've > sucessfully compiled just give me a shout and i'll do a make install for > you... ok, well for starters: cd /home/software/unpacked/zsh-4.0.2 && gmake install echo '/usr/local/bin/zsh' >> /etc/shells cd /home/software/unpacked/joe && make install As for ports, i can agree when it comes to things like apache and php, where you may want to play with all the custom options etc, but for things like libpng, libjpeg, gd where there are few options to tweak it makes life so easy... Anyway since you seem to like punishing yourself ;-), and i don't have much time to write code can you (or someother person who has a) time and b) root on consume.net) install: libpng-1.0.12.tar.gz jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz gd-1.8.4.tar.gz (with jpeg and png support, hey! if you use ports you get ttf support for free!). postgresql-7.1.2.tar.gz (which will let us 'CREATE INDEX foo ON node (UPPER(location));' which will make the current DB MUCH FASTER) apache_1.3.20.tar.gz (security fixes, +mod expires, +mod speling, +mod perl, +apache_ssl (if you like ;-P) +) php-4.0.6.tar.gz ( we have php, but not postgresql support, or gd, which makes it kind of hard to produces images from the database... '--with-gd' '--with-gd-dir=/usr/local' '--with-jpeg-dir=/usr/local' '--with-xpm-dir=/usr/X11R6' '--with-zlib' --with-png=/usr/local' '--with-mysql' '--with-pgsql', and CURL: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.curl.php and BC Math: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.bc.php We might want the SNMP sutff later to query peoples machines/nodes/access points for stats, but we can live without it for now). While we're at it, is there any chance of moving to FreeBSD 4.3?, 3.4 is a bit long in the tooth... [I'm happy to sit infront of a box and do installs or whatever, but repeatadly looping over asking you to 'gmake install' and then building things that rely on things you've just installed is going to take ages]. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO21bFQCB+Qwuygl1AQHy4Af/ZXQEuC8przCxcfsnFF+6e0nLtBqlNhwU XGcRp/4gVaeLLRhCqfb2f1EoBWLWgdFU3GtcTTDHSzCx8czMCIrEypRFN4ag8nNU xLg3aVAxEJ48GfhzSksDlffjA7YkWqj/zk9OoGdqOal+CjTr3wT1qulZYAgA0ci8 0Qpuocqempj3HKM/o7RTOVjyPkcO8aBrB/90dvmn0/TVbdrnNl/+jnumASz2BQRQ VW+xp2WwaJB/F2M/sG4emcWtZ0DbQNL8Dr/UHpsB4/8hLguwZY9CeZ6Xsj1waL9J ooFgRekqz64vKhFm7fkAl+w51QnUVkjoHeBWXGQFxw5o7ba+OFRLcw== =OEzW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at spc.org Sat Aug 4 21:32:35 2001 From: james at spc.org (james) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: <3B6D32F8.F14B7694@algroup.co.uk> References: Message-ID: Ok .. ok I thought it was a 3 or 4 channel buffer.. doh! anyway folk will use all sorts unles we express a preference I was really setting out an intention to populate more than one.. and fancied the 'prime' meme. what happens where channels get closer than specified? anyone got a clarification on this issue or an idea of how the 5ghz cards will operate channel wise? ta james >james wrote: >> also I have been tackling some graphical ideas for you to include if you >> can find a space .. now I can see what you are up to I wil build some for >> you.. in the meantime... http://dek.spc.org/consume/images/ > >Cute, though the big loop goes a little wiggly. BTW, I should point out >that in the UK with the recommended 5 channel spacing, we can have 4 >channels coexisting - 1, 5, 9, 13 - so promoting 3, 7, 11 isn't such a >great idea! In fact, its a rather bad one. > >Cheers, > >Ben. > >-- >http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html > >"There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he >doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-resources-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net >For additional commands, e-mail: consume-resources-help@lists.consume.net James Stevens <-------> 07973318881 DECKSPACE <-------> http://dek.spc.org unit 06 Borough Hall Royal Hill Greenwich London SE10 8RE "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net" http://consume.net From james at spc.org Sat Aug 4 23:05:58 2001 From: james at spc.org (james) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HI Jasper.. how are you getting on... I can still see your work on line so I guess youare still at it... couple of questions about the mapping.. is the only way to do this by producing a bitmap image.. how about a vector thang.. so render a copy of each icon in the relevant location then perhaps the node name could appear as alt text on mouseover.. certainly rendering the nodes differently depending on status would be good.. can you add a status filter so we can see just the 'operational' nodes for instance? on the view of the map we can see at the moment how do we set the origin.. how do we get the initial view..? are you planning to indicate a latlong on the map..along the x+y 12345678 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 whilst you are refurbing the db can we please add some more fields like nature of internet connection, node OS, node client numbers. On the node record as it appears in detail following a search, can we add a 'peer with me' or 'pairing request' trigger (I guess it should offer a range of methods).. consume routing, iptunneling, pigeon.. the intention is to introduce the peering agreement if required.. The click on to recenter is great.. how about a double click to reveal node record..or pop a new window with it? what about data entry and node location data.. do you think we should continue as we have or can we conform to more effective global method ? OK more later... this is going to be great Jasper! easy james >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >This is an appeal to the web gurus out there - if you click on the map below >it recenters to where you click. At least it does in Mozilla and Netscape >4.x. IE 4.01 will refresh the image, and if you tick or untick the "don't >draw labels" check box it will obey that too, but it dosn't ever recenter >the map - are there any known gotcha's with IE not passing x and y coords >through ?!?!?! > >ArrrrrrrrRRRRRRGHGHGHGHGGG > >found it, IE4 translates: > >¢er_y=42 > >to > >er_y=42 > >Very, VERY, rude words indeed. > >Also i'm using png's and IE 4 works with then if you *DONT'T* send a >Content-Type: image/png header. (Which is totally fubar'd in my book!) - >could this be the result of having a wierd mime type setup? > >Any way here's the current version, running off of the current database: > >http://217.204.252.18/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php > >The database dump is a day or so old. > >Bug reports of other bugs are welcome too. > >(the "don't draw range circles" checkbox hasn't been implemented yet, but >might be by the time you get this mail). > >BTW: this is my laptop on the end of an adsl line - it will probably go >away when i go to sleep ;-) > >- -- >When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your >Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's >slightly dizzy from hunger. >[see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iQEVAwUBO2xfvgCB+Qwuygl1AQG6sQf/QwL9v7sQJU848VYLNdZpZ4gL2ETY2xTD >vAvUAmRdaLYn4hFZzRvW5SkGCozhxgFbcX1uamKu/mc8BnorF8782uXXOfif9dku >5meDB0DPvmF5IRd9Cwm9wT3VvGQXlzqp7fdmCkgpIJNveZY/EXgxHG2bnJPnm5vO >PzovdBPhTHazlY+llPtxB3/GyAKwwubVRuH8w3qr3BTqA9IL5+Fij9+/aUjkYTGS >hC6f8QAOAje5bkeLUBy4adPyJSVkcIQ7ceONLb+djVmWB2lFLxjWrDsILYt1t1BW >9X2TNFg/opiTELUhr08H/hKlNa+KwckcF2JqvzFpysLFxfJa1nW3Gw== >=QOzO >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-resources-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net >For additional commands, e-mail: consume-resources-help@lists.consume.net James Stevens <-------> 07973318881 DECKSPACE <-------> http://dek.spc.org unit 06 Borough Hall Royal Hill Greenwich London SE10 8RE "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net" http://consume.net From jasper at pointless.net Sun Aug 5 22:57:33 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, james wrote: > HI Jasper.. > > how are you getting on... I can still see your work on line so I guess > youare still at it... > > > couple of questions about the mapping.. > > is the only way to do this by producing a bitmap image.. how about a vector > thang.. so render a copy of each icon in the relevant location then perhaps > the node name could appear as alt text on mouseover.. We can do node names (and more info) on mouse overs with client side images maps & javascript. I'd like to avoid javascript at the moment and get more basic functionality in place (like being able to log in and see your nodes) etc. > certainly rendering the nodes differently depending on status would be > good.. thats easy enough, but 'later'. > can you add a status filter so we can see just the 'operational' > nodes for instance? I'll eventually add a multi select thingy so you can select e.g. only those nodes that are operational or in testing. > on the view of the map we can see at the moment how do we set the origin.. > how do we get the initial view..? Ummm, you don't at the moment, you can either click on one of the recent nodes, or just scroll around by clicking on the edges of the map. I how to add jump too postcode, jump to grid ref, search by node name, etc. > are you planning to indicate a latlong on the map..along the x+y > 12345678 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 8 it will be os grid, and the grid will correspond to OS grid. > whilst you are refurbing the db can we please add some more fields like > nature of internet connection, node OS, node client numbers. On the node > record as it appears in detail following a search, can we add a 'peer with > me' or 'pairing request' trigger (I guess it should offer a range of > methods).. consume routing, iptunneling, pigeon.. the intention is to > introduce the peering agreement if required.. I'm going to have a table for internode links > The click on to recenter is great.. how about a double click to reveal node > record..or pop a new window with it? I don't know how to do that (double click), or even if it's possible, i may add a menu or button for 'list nodes on this map'. There's lots of room here for people with more web design exp. than me to add more features. i really need to write up my notes. > what about data entry and node location data.. do you think we should > continue as we have or can we conform to more effective global method ? working on it (soon). > OK more later... this is going to be great Jasper! - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO22zQwCB+Qwuygl1AQFx6Af/exVGaXgKA2bgMgrXnaoYtq+yk2YzE81s Khs72aIB+/hckabcAznOIeRMBfVwvjVh5BnHT3jYR5j/vybvgedsQTVC9Ivtcf3d hiJUy4N0mwJc4Z/Cjhmk34z9T3zrVkSEJEY2cw5licDh2k2EKIl4xcTdu7ZBa6zl W11UPPp9bW1PA/gu23/QeFjZq02sTArRYaF10bmP1vfP42LY42gN4HL5Kmg1Utff DD2r8K9pdXtzz4af7jN84gMcT6W0mxf90MZO/qHe0MA0WOt++vVKJgzQ5Ebm+6W5 dGYCEsden+vsIVwJrPPt6aRSUPx3F3S0dbiU/YQgKDzHDHCTAsnGVQ== =aPhX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From liquidfox_1999 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 5 23:20:16 2001 From: liquidfox_1999 at yahoo.com (liquidfox_1999@yahoo.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff References: Message-ID: <000d01c11df4$6c2cb6e0$c9b687d4@oxygen> Would it be possible to include http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=523623&Y=175138&arrow=Y& zoom=1&largeuk=P the aerial photos from streetmap.co.uk in a future incarnation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jasper Wallace" To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [consume-resources] php-map stuff > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, james wrote: > > > HI Jasper.. > > > > how are you getting on... I can still see your work on line so I guess > > youare still at it... > > > > > > couple of questions about the mapping.. > > > > is the only way to do this by producing a bitmap image.. how about a vector > > thang.. so render a copy of each icon in the relevant location then perhaps > > the node name could appear as alt text on mouseover.. > > We can do node names (and more info) on mouse overs with client side images > maps & javascript. > > I'd like to avoid javascript at the moment and get more basic functionality > in place (like being able to log in and see your nodes) etc. > > > certainly rendering the nodes differently depending on status would be > > good.. > > thats easy enough, but 'later'. > > > can you add a status filter so we can see just the 'operational' > > nodes for instance? > > I'll eventually add a multi select thingy so you can select e.g. only those > nodes that are operational or in testing. > > > on the view of the map we can see at the moment how do we set the origin.. > > how do we get the initial view..? > > Ummm, you don't at the moment, you can either click on one of > the recent nodes, or just scroll around by clicking on the edges of the map. > > I how to add jump too postcode, jump to grid ref, search by node name, etc. > > > are you planning to indicate a latlong on the map..along the x+y > > 12345678 > > 2 > > 3 > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > 7 > > 8 > > it will be os grid, and the grid will correspond to OS grid. > > > whilst you are refurbing the db can we please add some more fields like > > nature of internet connection, node OS, node client numbers. On the node > > record as it appears in detail following a search, can we add a 'peer with > > me' or 'pairing request' trigger (I guess it should offer a range of > > methods).. consume routing, iptunneling, pigeon.. the intention is to > > introduce the peering agreement if required.. > > I'm going to have a table for internode links > > > The click on to recenter is great.. how about a double click to reveal node > > record..or pop a new window with it? > > I don't know how to do that (double click), or even if it's possible, i may > add a menu or button for 'list nodes on this map'. > > There's lots of room here for people with more web design exp. than me to > add more features. > > i really need to write up my notes. > > > what about data entry and node location data.. do you think we should > > continue as we have or can we conform to more effective global method ? > > working on it (soon). > > > OK more later... this is going to be great Jasper! > > - -- > When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your > Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's > slightly dizzy from hunger. > [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iQEVAwUBO22zQwCB+Qwuygl1AQFx6Af/exVGaXgKA2bgMgrXnaoYtq+yk2YzE81s > Khs72aIB+/hckabcAznOIeRMBfVwvjVh5BnHT3jYR5j/vybvgedsQTVC9Ivtcf3d > hiJUy4N0mwJc4Z/Cjhmk34z9T3zrVkSEJEY2cw5licDh2k2EKIl4xcTdu7ZBa6zl > W11UPPp9bW1PA/gu23/QeFjZq02sTArRYaF10bmP1vfP42LY42gN4HL5Kmg1Utff > DD2r8K9pdXtzz4af7jN84gMcT6W0mxf90MZO/qHe0MA0WOt++vVKJgzQ5Ebm+6W5 > dGYCEsden+vsIVwJrPPt6aRSUPx3F3S0dbiU/YQgKDzHDHCTAsnGVQ== > =aPhX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-resources-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-resources-help@lists.consume.net From jasper at pointless.net Sun Aug 5 23:09:40 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: <000d01c11df4$6c2cb6e0$c9b687d4@oxygen> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 liquidfox_1999@yahoo.com wrote: > Would it be possible to include > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=523623&Y=175138&arrow=Y& > zoom=1&largeuk=P the aerial photos from streetmap.co.uk in a future > incarnation yes, in fact the postcode -> x,y code that consume uses at the moment goes to streetmap to do the conversion, and the X=523623&Y=175138 stuff in the url above maps exactly to the content of the consume db: http://217.204.252.18/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php?pos_x=523623&pos_y=175138 (I know the guy at parkview court if you want introductions btw) I'm not sure how X=523623 Y=175138 maps to any other co-ordinate system tho, it would be really helpful if someone could dig around and work that out. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO222GQCB+Qwuygl1AQH1lQf+N1KuXzc3sCIAk30INIMO+Glao5ghrHIy opLZ1EeJXGsKB/3xKzHiOBRXGks5mFQ0qB9rrKmuzQkhHcylrXxdq1/LvqPGdHi8 uHCWOSKGL8XIm0Kn0HX8dc5GhUQ7J1Pu3NU/2Z6gxbiMSE8qFqdJ0MBK3bD6JmfY cP9VF+D0u6dC/uQLqq2G2nhINyGbqaW37t1tZp8/ghSDSJE6hziAN5OJ1l4Zyxta apbmhX6bsPFv9F6JCdBf9YasSqGrjLTdabdPfXNaMdXwgC/zKZyCU/50u6ggF4e7 pnxo1edqE0a3fBvysyUWmkEDXikBfXFIvtFPRZNfq1IGalB7xYzu7w== =14S/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Sun Aug 5 23:15:05 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 liquidfox_1999@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Would it be possible to include > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=523623&Y=175138&arrow=Y& > > zoom=1&largeuk=P the aerial photos from streetmap.co.uk in a future > > incarnation > > yes, in fact the postcode -> x,y code that consume uses at the moment goes > to streetmap to do the conversion, and the X=523623&Y=175138 stuff in the > url above maps exactly to the content of the consume db: > > http://217.204.252.18/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php?pos_x=523623&pos_y=175138 > > (I know the guy at parkview court if you want introductions btw) > > I'm not sure how X=523623 Y=175138 maps to any other co-ordinate system tho, > it would be really helpful if someone could dig around and work that out. oh, and i forgot to say - the reason i want osgb -> NAD-83 conversion is that we can then use mapblast for this kind of thing - mapblast allows you to specify multiple points in a url whan calling it's site, and it shows thouse points with an icon of your choise e.g. little antenna towers etc... - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO223XACB+Qwuygl1AQGAgggAkO0UzFq3NX0d6aVv1hsXSA7nHNGOooIS wTx9P3pa2XFjbTBy8PF8eofjOzBkKywWfqu9JJ/xaTJO7IZFb/JetUEEYtLDqqPA bha/HDvUWg39UwfnGVKtkmuxooTT4NmCIBEbzGOuAgn68o90YmYnD/KHhNOIRtww y+H25wggFda4ZpMCA4I0PMvyAjMg048vi+I0nimT5uXOnP5Kne6GjwXfrNV62UGH Vo0mHAlPJnWxCwsb0rGUQgU/yjVGqg/BrJOHOKzbAmPJXIfHdo8BCDT6vZhdvGU8 mURM3ojxqifKP6za3h79YhM9+X5vHLvU0jTa9sF4f36NoDdRVcsZHg== =N3o5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Sun Aug 5 23:19:36 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, james wrote: > > > HI Jasper.. > > > > how are you getting on... I can still see your work on line so I guess > > youare still at it... > > whilst you are refurbing the db can we please add some more fields like > > nature of internet connection, node OS, node client numbers. On the node > > record as it appears in detail following a search, can we add a 'peer with > > me' or 'pairing request' trigger (I guess it should offer a range of > > methods).. consume routing, iptunneling, pigeon.. the intention is to > > introduce the peering agreement if required.. > > I'm going to have a table for internode links [i forgot to finish this para] I'm going to have a table for internode links with link type, bandwidth, status, and possibly the ip's used. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO224agCB+Qwuygl1AQHaCAf8DTgntNBUBbrlnW1GVk3fLkcM8RL0/0U2 o3SGXNqDhu+UCQKl7u7btX+cpO3iP5sviMp8OLEWnUYa41BGYAjgCEGVDXU/fYDw yftQY+vnfko9/t8o6CfBpd3Etgw7qTNo5gSJssNBx7IPFy/+D5aRXMbqTz2tQxPT mt/Wy+bCs03IpGEF24ZSSHzwmJDHi2abxVB3TvogcLvQt9nWS5DmAYTAX8i4NnLL sqLi470oE0tX/Va0Q+N7l9rl6MZwsOOs/Ga0bfQmUcLjXQf27NT6JQ3ZvDnCtaT5 /2azXKDj6yfsM0x6DzpinH435Juk3f3SytzSjAZQFhGuHp+FH4wCRQ== =WR9O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Mon Aug 6 03:16:54 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: notes etc... Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- the existing db seems quite inconsistent internaly - the location field is just a mess, many nodes in there are un locatable, the postcodes are in inconsistent case, there are duplicate nodes (possibly cos that the only way to have multiple status's and descriptions), there is one node with a NULL name, and there are multiple nodes with diffrent names at the same location (possibly not a bug). One other thing: what exactly is a node? I think the general concensus is that it's one physical router/access point, but it has some of the characteristics of a 'site' which may have multiple routers present. I'm happy to leave it a bit ambigous for the moment, people can always explain wierd setups in the 'description' field. I think there is a lot of room to be had in doing lots of this kind of planning up front - if all the developers (and potential developers) can agree on (or at least see) a plan then it's much eaiser to have parallel development. I have to convert these to html and add more docs on the data structures used whithin the code. php. %%%BEGIN-INCOHERENT-NOTES%%% Sw to install on cave - --------------------- apache_1.3.20.tar.gz php-4.0.6.tar.gz postgresql-7.1.2.tar.gz libpng-1.0.12.tar.gz gd-1.8.4.tar.gz jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz '--with-gd' '--with-gd-dir=/usr/local' '--with-jpeg-dir=/usr/local' '--with-xpm-dir=/usr/X11R6' '--with-zlib' --with-png=/usr/local' '--with-mysql' '--with-pgsql' gmp bzip2 would be nice. #!/bin/sh -x cd /home/software/unpacked/zsh-4.0.2 && gmake install echo '/usr/local/bin/zsh' >> /etc/shells blah. nodedb MkII - ----------- I had an entiry-relationship diagram somewhere, but can't find it now, i'll probably draw one again. build order: ============ db table definations. person, login code + login.inc + cookies/session etc. node, port map stuff && check check features && test && RELEASE node_diary test && RELEASE node_bookmarks test && RELEASE node_link test && RELEASE fine grained todo: - ------------------ XXX lots of input validation finalise sql create db do user creating/login/session code. do node creation, searching, displaying,and editing code. (and port the existing map code, not hard). compare functionality with existing db, if missing features, implement them. look at moveing the existing data && code script to move. XXX NB the above is hard, the existing data has a lot of crap in it, will have to e-mail lots of people and ask questions, XXX XXX byebye international nodes. XXX need good links page to other projects so we can pass people on, or get people involved in porting the map code to their local grid. XXX and a section on the links page for 'X is interested in setting up a consume like project in Y, please contact him at user@site'. porting existing data can work in parallel with development. Things needed: - -------------- html checking code for the node diary and description fields (we don't want people putting in crap, see how slashdot & kour5hin do it). random features - --------------- map -> streatmap -> ariel photo map -> mapblast map : reflect node status map : node status filter map : node links status filter map : jump to pcode map : jump to lat/long{WGS84, ...} map : jump to OS grid map : os grid lines + numbers node : add by postcode node : add by lat/long{WGS84, ...} node : add by osgrid email person when someone bookmarks one of their nodes email person when a node they've bookmarked is modified email person when someone creates a link to one of their nodes. auto link to all nodes whithin {range} (button, or when a nodes is created). list nodes in {range} with {bearing, distance}. Features ======== object {methods} person {create, login, logout, delete, update {url, email}, change password} node {add, get-by-person, get-by-name, get-by-whatever, update, delete} node_bookmarks {add, get, delete} node_diary {add, get, edit(?), delete} node_link {add, update {status, (bandwidth? physical link type?)}, delete} A person has: nodes node bookmarks nodes have: a node diary links to other nodes. table definations: ================== XXX i need to check up on the 'DEFAULT NOW()' stuff, it may not do what i want. XXX i need to actually finish this. person: CREATE TABLE "person" ( "person_id" SERIAL PRIMARY KEY, "status" ENUM {PENDING,ACTIVE} DEFAULT PENDING -- We require e-mail confirmation... "name" character varying(255) NOT NULL, "email" character varying(255) UNIQUE NOT NULL, -- emails have to be globally unique anyway. "url" character varying(255), -- optional - make UNIQUE? "passwd" character varying(50) NOT NULL, "created" timestamp DEFAULT NOW() -- if (!ACTIVE && created > NOW() - 7days) then nuke_account(); ); node: SERIAL node_id PRIMARY KEY owner_id -> person.person_id name loc {x, y, alt} [how do we do locations?!?!?] -- alt will default to 0. descr status {the usual stuff}; url (?) ip range (?) created modified DEFAULT NOW() node_bookmarks: person_id -> person.person_id node_id -> node.node_id node_diary: node_id -> node.node_id date_created [we don't allow editing once created(?) - have preview button]. text [blob, html allowed etc.] node_link: node_id_a -> node.node_id node_id_b -> node.node_id physical link type [an ENUM, or a link to another table, or just text?] bandwidth (?) status -- same as node status. ip_info (?) link types: 10BaseT 10BaseFX 100BaseTX 100BaseFX (?) IEE802.11[b] Ronja GIF ip over ip tunnel {other ip over ip tunnel} XXX add to this list. sql/code fragments: =================== person: - ------- create: # we want to confirm the person's email works. INSERT INTO person (name, email, url, passwd) VALUES ($name, $email, $url, MD($password)); # XXX if we bother with rand_token(), and we might as well do to stop random # miscreants adding victims to the db we will need to store it somewhere. # XXX email -> token table?!?!? send_confirmation_email($email, rand_token()); [email comes back] UPDATE person SET status=ACTIVE WHERE email=$email; # the email contains a url for the person's home page, which includes a # 'create node' link. # XXX will they need to login here? i guess so, and we can set the session # cookie then. send_ok_email($email); login: - ------ # email is the 'username', but we have a name too, so we can do # 'hello $name, welcome back to consume!' # etc.... SELECT person_id,name FROM person where email=$email AND passwd=MD5($password); #XXX session/cookies stuff (we don't want people to have to login in #everytime). logout: - ------- Do we want a logout button? does anyone care? cybercafes?!?!? delete: - ------- # hope this dosn't happen too much ;-) # XXX delete node_diays, and nodelinks, then nodes, DELETE FROM person where email=$email update: - ------- #XXX if their email changes we need to revalidate #XXX more state to be stored (and do we e-mail the old or new e-mail? or #both?) # session: do we reset it our selves, or get them to login again? UPDATE person SET url=$url, email=$email WHERE email=$email change password: - ---------------- # ask for the same password twice, and compare etc. # N.B. postgres has no builtin MD5 function, but thats not a problem. UPDATE person SET passwd=MD5($password) WHERE email=$email node: - ----- add: - ---- # person needs to be logged in, make sure we have a valid person first && # person.status != PENDING. # # write some generic 'wizard' code to guide the user through this. # INSERT INTO node (owner_id, name, x, y, alt, description, status, url, {possibly more stuff}) VALUES ($person_id, $name, $x, $y, $alt, $descr, $status, $url, {etc...}); # XXX get node_id # add the new node to the person'd node bookmarks. # Yes, this is redudant cos we also have node.owner_id, Hmmm, should we # bother? [have Your nodes, and Your bookmarked nodes?] INSERT INTO node_bookmarks (person_id, node_id) VALUES ($person_id, $node_id); # optional (?) confirmation e-mail (?) # e-mail all nodes whithin range (?) (optional i hope). update: - ------- all values above, apart from owner_id, or shouldn't we allow people to change node names? delete: - ------- DELETE FROM node WHERE node_id=$id; node_bookmarks: - --------------- add: - ---- INSERT INTO node_bookmarks (person_id, node_id) VALUES ($person_id, $node_id) get-by-person: - -------------- # XXX this isn't actually right, but you get the picture. SELECT n.name, n.x, n.y, nb.node_id FROM node n, node_bookmarks nb WHERE nb.person_id = $person_id AND n.node_id = nb.node_id delete: - ------- DELETE FROM node_bookmarks where person_id=$person_id AND node_id=$node_id node_diary: - ----------- add: - ---- get: - ---- edit: - ----- delete: - ------- node_link: - ---------- add: - ---- update: - ------- delete: - ------- node status - ----------- Robert McKay : > nodedb=> select id, status from nodestatus; > 1 | Unknown > 2 | Speculative > 3 | Confirmed > 4 | Installed > 5 | In Testing > 6 | Operational > 7 | Disabled > Unknown means "cool.. consume seems like a neat idea. I have no real plans > to do anything but I'd like to register my address and contact information > anyway". > > Speculative means "cool.. I am thinking about establishing a node" > > Confirmed means "I have decided that I'm going to establish a node" > > Installed means "I have the hardware/software I'm going to use installed > in my system but I haven't got anything working yet." > > In Testing means "I've got the hardware and am now playing around with the > configuration." > > Operational means "I'm ready to start communicating with neighboring > nodes." > > Disabled means "I've disabled my node." Map loc. data formats: - ---------------------- NAD-83 (mapblast maps) WGS-84 (GPS) "ord srvy GB" XXX find out and confirm the ellispe used on OS maps. 55mm = 1000m 13mm = - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO23wCQCB+Qwuygl1AQGtFwgAm14QXXCD3f1tXmSUh1W2blQsoqJkhNeM 74EuKLaqkx0RQCdGwZS3p4co58CkxeEaUQQRXTwglUU+XgILIFTUyGjbQbnuNYxr SxNRLaQ1X0LKnqF2mK7LJ7CH6VftGzFhfuRWCavvaiOGIn2c5Wl2win64ZpIGd9V JKWUaNI6z2efKWcDG1e5WuIm5dKrw+xnLxg1Txc6T0jbFFlEC38/Ej1ABTnJhpcQ LeUdgb7ojPrpmPtXAOwqVLl75T8SFqdRd0lxBk7HcRq9ecOPREhzG9WVpnlzABLe jEor770W3UJCngJhxPQKxiWIdjZIqvMG1sfwDjKwbu+rNoMKwJbAOQ== =Om6A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at spc.org Mon Aug 6 11:21:07 2001 From: james at spc.org (james) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] notes etc... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HI Jasper, we have an opertunity here to flush out the crap from the DB... i would say that where you identify problems with a node that we send a message to the node mail address asking them to enter a fresh node and we wipe the dodgy one.. there may be an argument to wipe them all..! what is a node..? yeah best left to the node builders to explain but we must assume the basic access point and router in sync with consume spec. how about the merging the mail lists and node db.. so we mark up each list member geographicly as well as drive node construction with pushy mail.. This is about building up active participants.. so lets build! You register your interest in consume..and get on the basic mailing list. You nominate a node location and receive node building information and an option for specific group lists, encouragent to escalate comes via mail..prompts to add info to the node record so node specification builds as the node is readied. Once ready your details are announced and you get your picture on the front of the consume website...!?! I think speculative nodes should lapse after a month or so unless their builder tends the node record on progress or escalates build status. hmm more later.. james >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >the existing db seems quite inconsistent internaly - the location field is >just a mess, many nodes in there are un locatable, the postcodes are in >inconsistent case, there are duplicate nodes (possibly cos that the only way >to have multiple status's and descriptions), there is one node with a NULL >name, and there are multiple nodes with diffrent names at the same location >(possibly not a bug). > >One other thing: what exactly is a node? > >I think the general concensus is that it's one physical router/access point, >but it has some of the characteristics of a 'site' which may have multiple >routers present. I'm happy to leave it a bit ambigous for the moment, people >can always explain wierd setups in the 'description' field. > >I think there is a lot of room to be had in doing lots of this kind of >planning up front - if all the developers (and potential developers) can >agree on (or at least see) a plan then it's much eaiser to have parallel >development. > >I have to convert these to html and add more docs on the data structures >used whithin the code. php. > >%%%BEGIN-INCOHERENT-NOTES%%% > >Sw to install on cave >- --------------------- > >apache_1.3.20.tar.gz >php-4.0.6.tar.gz >postgresql-7.1.2.tar.gz > >libpng-1.0.12.tar.gz >gd-1.8.4.tar.gz >jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz > > >'--with-gd' '--with-gd-dir=/usr/local' '--with-jpeg-dir=/usr/local' >'--with-xpm-dir=/usr/X11R6' '--with-zlib' --with-png=/usr/local' >'--with-mysql' '--with-pgsql' > >gmp > >bzip2 would be nice. > >#!/bin/sh -x > >cd /home/software/unpacked/zsh-4.0.2 && gmake install >echo '/usr/local/bin/zsh' >> /etc/shells > >blah. > >nodedb MkII >- ----------- > >I had an entiry-relationship diagram somewhere, but can't find it now, i'll >probably draw one again. > >build order: >============ > >db table definations. >person, login code + login.inc + cookies/session etc. >node, port map stuff && check >check features && test && RELEASE >node_diary >test && RELEASE >node_bookmarks >test && RELEASE >node_link >test && RELEASE > >fine grained todo: >- ------------------ > >XXX lots of input validation > >finalise sql >create db >do user creating/login/session code. >do node creation, searching, displaying,and editing code. (and port the > existing map code, not hard). >compare functionality with existing db, if missing features, implement them. >look at moveing the existing data && code script to move. >XXX NB the above is hard, the existing data has a lot of crap in it, will > have to e-mail lots of people and ask questions, XXX >XXX byebye international nodes. >XXX need good links page to other projects so we can pass people on, or get > people involved in porting the map code to their local grid. >XXX and a section on the links page for 'X is interested in setting up a >consume like project in Y, please contact him at user@site'. >porting existing data can work in parallel with development. > >Things needed: >- -------------- > >html checking code for the node diary and description fields (we don't want >people putting in crap, see how slashdot & kour5hin do it). > >random features >- --------------- > >map -> streatmap -> ariel photo >map -> mapblast >map : reflect node status >map : node status filter >map : node links status filter >map : jump to pcode >map : jump to lat/long{WGS84, ...} >map : jump to OS grid >map : os grid lines + numbers > >node : add by postcode >node : add by lat/long{WGS84, ...} >node : add by osgrid > >email person when someone bookmarks one of their nodes >email person when a node they've bookmarked is modified >email person when someone creates a link to one of their nodes. > >auto link to all nodes whithin {range} (button, or when a nodes is created). > >list nodes in {range} with {bearing, distance}. > >Features >======== > >object {methods} > >person {create, login, logout, delete, update {url, email}, change password} >node {add, get-by-person, get-by-name, get-by-whatever, update, delete} >node_bookmarks {add, get, delete} >node_diary {add, get, edit(?), delete} >node_link {add, update {status, (bandwidth? physical link type?)}, delete} > >A person has: > >nodes >node bookmarks > >nodes have: > >a node diary >links to other nodes. > >table definations: >================== > >XXX i need to check up on the 'DEFAULT NOW()' stuff, it may not do what i > want. >XXX i need to actually finish this. > >person: > >CREATE TABLE "person" ( > "person_id" SERIAL PRIMARY KEY, > "status" ENUM {PENDING,ACTIVE} DEFAULT PENDING -- We require e-mail >confirmation... > "name" character varying(255) NOT NULL, > "email" character varying(255) UNIQUE NOT NULL, -- emails have to >be globally unique anyway. > "url" character varying(255), -- optional - make UNIQUE? > "passwd" character varying(50) NOT NULL, > "created" timestamp DEFAULT NOW() -- if (!ACTIVE && created > NOW() >- 7days) then nuke_account(); >); > >node: > >SERIAL node_id PRIMARY KEY >owner_id -> person.person_id >name >loc {x, y, alt} [how do we do locations?!?!?] -- alt will default to 0. >descr >status {the usual stuff}; >url (?) >ip range (?) >created >modified DEFAULT NOW() > >node_bookmarks: > >person_id -> person.person_id >node_id -> node.node_id > >node_diary: > >node_id -> node.node_id >date_created [we don't allow editing once created(?) - have preview button]. >text [blob, html allowed etc.] > >node_link: > >node_id_a -> node.node_id >node_id_b -> node.node_id >physical link type [an ENUM, or a link to another table, or just text?] >bandwidth (?) >status -- same as node status. >ip_info (?) > >link types: > >10BaseT >10BaseFX >100BaseTX >100BaseFX (?) >IEE802.11[b] >Ronja >GIF ip over ip tunnel >{other ip over ip tunnel} > >XXX add to this list. > >sql/code fragments: >=================== > >person: >- ------- > >create: > ># we want to confirm the person's email works. > >INSERT INTO person (name, email, url, passwd) >VALUES ($name, $email, $url, MD($password)); > ># XXX if we bother with rand_token(), and we might as well do to stop random ># miscreants adding victims to the db we will need to store it somewhere. ># XXX email -> token table?!?!? >send_confirmation_email($email, rand_token()); > >[email comes back] > >UPDATE person SET status=ACTIVE WHERE email=$email; > ># the email contains a url for the person's home page, which includes a ># 'create node' link. ># XXX will they need to login here? i guess so, and we can set the session ># cookie then. >send_ok_email($email); > >login: >- ------ > ># email is the 'username', but we have a name too, so we can do ># 'hello $name, welcome back to consume!' ># etc.... >SELECT person_id,name FROM person where email=$email AND >passwd=MD5($password); > >#XXX session/cookies stuff (we don't want people to have to login in >#everytime). > >logout: >- ------- > >Do we want a logout button? does anyone care? cybercafes?!?!? > >delete: >- ------- > ># hope this dosn't happen too much ;-) ># XXX delete node_diays, and nodelinks, then nodes, >DELETE FROM person where email=$email > >update: >- ------- > >#XXX if their email changes we need to revalidate >#XXX more state to be stored (and do we e-mail the old or new e-mail? or >#both?) ># session: do we reset it our selves, or get them to login again? >UPDATE person SET url=$url, email=$email WHERE email=$email > >change password: >- ---------------- > ># ask for the same password twice, and compare etc. ># N.B. postgres has no builtin MD5 function, but thats not a problem. >UPDATE person SET passwd=MD5($password) WHERE email=$email > >node: >- ----- > >add: >- ---- > ># person needs to be logged in, make sure we have a valid person first && ># person.status != PENDING. ># ># write some generic 'wizard' code to guide the user through this. ># >INSERT INTO node (owner_id, name, x, y, alt, description, status, url, >{possibly more stuff}) >VALUES ($person_id, $name, $x, $y, $alt, $descr, $status, $url, {etc...}); ># XXX get node_id ># add the new node to the person'd node bookmarks. ># Yes, this is redudant cos we also have node.owner_id, Hmmm, should we ># bother? [have Your nodes, and Your bookmarked nodes?] >INSERT INTO node_bookmarks (person_id, node_id) VALUES ($person_id, $node_id); ># optional (?) confirmation e-mail (?) ># e-mail all nodes whithin range (?) (optional i hope). > >update: >- ------- > >all values above, apart from owner_id, or shouldn't we allow people to >change node names? > >delete: >- ------- > >DELETE FROM node WHERE node_id=$id; > >node_bookmarks: >- --------------- > >add: >- ---- > >INSERT INTO node_bookmarks (person_id, node_id) VALUES ($person_id, $node_id) > >get-by-person: >- -------------- > ># XXX this isn't actually right, but you get the picture. >SELECT n.name, n.x, n.y, nb.node_id >FROM >node n, node_bookmarks nb >WHERE >nb.person_id = $person_id AND n.node_id = nb.node_id > >delete: >- ------- > >DELETE FROM node_bookmarks where person_id=$person_id AND node_id=$node_id > >node_diary: >- ----------- > >add: >- ---- > >get: >- ---- > >edit: >- ----- > >delete: >- ------- > >node_link: >- ---------- > >add: >- ---- > >update: >- ------- > >delete: >- ------- > > >node status >- ----------- > >Robert McKay : > >> nodedb=> select id, status from nodestatus; >> 1 | Unknown >> 2 | Speculative >> 3 | Confirmed >> 4 | Installed >> 5 | In Testing >> 6 | Operational >> 7 | Disabled > > >> Unknown means "cool.. consume seems like a neat idea. I have no real plans >> to do anything but I'd like to register my address and contact information >> anyway". >> >> Speculative means "cool.. I am thinking about establishing a node" >> >> Confirmed means "I have decided that I'm going to establish a node" >> >> Installed means "I have the hardware/software I'm going to use installed >> in my system but I haven't got anything working yet." >> >> In Testing means "I've got the hardware and am now playing around with the >> configuration." >> >> Operational means "I'm ready to start communicating with neighboring >> nodes." >> >> Disabled means "I've disabled my node." > > >Map loc. data formats: >- ---------------------- > >NAD-83 (mapblast maps) >WGS-84 (GPS) >"ord srvy GB" >XXX find out and confirm the ellispe used on OS maps. > >55mm = 1000m >13mm = > > >- -- >When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your >Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's >slightly dizzy from hunger. >[see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iQEVAwUBO23wCQCB+Qwuygl1AQGtFwgAm14QXXCD3f1tXmSUh1W2blQsoqJkhNeM >74EuKLaqkx0RQCdGwZS3p4co58CkxeEaUQQRXTwglUU+XgILIFTUyGjbQbnuNYxr >SxNRLaQ1X0LKnqF2mK7LJ7CH6VftGzFhfuRWCavvaiOGIn2c5Wl2win64ZpIGd9V >JKWUaNI6z2efKWcDG1e5WuIm5dKrw+xnLxg1Txc6T0jbFFlEC38/Ej1ABTnJhpcQ >LeUdgb7ojPrpmPtXAOwqVLl75T8SFqdRd0lxBk7HcRq9ecOPREhzG9WVpnlzABLe >jEor770W3UJCngJhxPQKxiWIdjZIqvMG1sfwDjKwbu+rNoMKwJbAOQ== >=Om6A >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-resources-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net >For additional commands, e-mail: consume-resources-help@lists.consume.net James Stevens <-------> 07973318881 DECKSPACE <-------> http://dek.spc.org unit 06 Borough Hall Royal Hill Greenwich London SE10 8RE "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net" http://consume.net From narsty at madblokes.screaming.net Wed Aug 8 01:00:20 2001 From: narsty at madblokes.screaming.net (Geoff Jones) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: IRC References: Message-ID: <008301c11f94$be7da250$a20a0a0a@mordor.local> what happened to the irc page was it removed cos the java client was crap and not working ? From ben at algroup.co.uk Wed Aug 8 12:41:23 2001 From: ben at algroup.co.uk (Ben Laurie) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff References: Message-ID: <3B711753.554679F8@algroup.co.uk> Jasper Wallace wrote: > oh, and i forgot to say - the reason i want osgb -> NAD-83 conversion is > that we can then use mapblast for this kind of thing - mapblast allows you > to specify multiple points in a url whan calling it's site, and it shows > thouse points with an icon of your choise e.g. little antenna towers etc... Ah, cool ... we were looking for something like that first time round. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From james at spc.org Wed Aug 8 21:59:27 2001 From: james at spc.org (james@spc) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: maps and meshes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jasper.. How are you getting on now ?.. are you coming over in the next few days to Deckspace to meet with some others we hope to get more done on the web site and mesh routing.. and it would be good to meet and see the new interface.. I just tried it but no.. does this mean your test server is off? best James James Stevens <-----------> 07973318881 http://dek.spc.org <-----------> Founded 2001 DECKSPACE:unit 06:Borough Hall:Royal Hill:Greenwich:SE10 8RE "trip the loop, make your switch, consume the net" ------------> http://consume.net -----Original Message----- From: Jasper Wallace [mailto:jasper@pointless.net] Sent: 04 August 2001 21:49 To: consume-resources@lists.consume.net Subject: [consume-resources] php-map stuff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is an appeal to the web gurus out there - if you click on the map below it recenters to where you click. At least it does in Mozilla and Netscape 4.x. IE 4.01 will refresh the image, and if you tick or untick the "don't draw labels" check box it will obey that too, but it dosn't ever recenter the map - are there any known gotcha's with IE not passing x and y coords through ?!?!?! ArrrrrrrrRRRRRRGHGHGHGHGGG found it, IE4 translates: ¢er_y=42 to er_y=42 Very, VERY, rude words indeed. Also i'm using png's and IE 4 works with then if you *DONT'T* send a Content-Type: image/png header. (Which is totally fubar'd in my book!) - could this be the result of having a wierd mime type setup? Any way here's the current version, running off of the current database: http://217.204.252.18/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php The database dump is a day or so old. Bug reports of other bugs are welcome too. (the "don't draw range circles" checkbox hasn't been implemented yet, but might be by the time you get this mail). BTW: this is my laptop on the end of an adsl line - it will probably go away when i go to sleep ;-) - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO2xfvgCB+Qwuygl1AQG6sQf/QwL9v7sQJU848VYLNdZpZ4gL2ETY2xTD vAvUAmRdaLYn4hFZzRvW5SkGCozhxgFbcX1uamKu/mc8BnorF8782uXXOfif9dku 5meDB0DPvmF5IRd9Cwm9wT3VvGQXlzqp7fdmCkgpIJNveZY/EXgxHG2bnJPnm5vO PzovdBPhTHazlY+llPtxB3/GyAKwwubVRuH8w3qr3BTqA9IL5+Fij9+/aUjkYTGS hC6f8QAOAje5bkeLUBy4adPyJSVkcIQ7ceONLb+djVmWB2lFLxjWrDsILYt1t1BW 9X2TNFg/opiTELUhr08H/hKlNa+KwckcF2JqvzFpysLFxfJa1nW3Gw== =QOzO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-resources-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net For additional commands, e-mail: consume-resources-help@lists.consume.net From jasper at pointless.net Thu Aug 9 00:33:38 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] maps and meshes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, james@spc wrote: > Hi Jasper.. > > How are you getting on now ?.. I'm busy evcery day this week, yesterday was the ieft social, today is the netbsd social (which has ended up in the hilton metro (or whatever it is)), so i posting from the ietf wavelan network ;-) > are you coming over in the next few days to > Deckspace to meet with some others we hope to get more done on the web site > and mesh routing.. and it would be good to meet and see the new interface.. > I just tried it but no.. does this mean your test server is off? yeah, i can come over tommorow night, but not friday. The test server is my laptop, so it travels with me, the url i posted will be extreamly intermitant, don't expect it to be working... - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO3G+RgCB+Qwuygl1AQHeSAf/RvqoYNzOTVVzkLN5gbHVBKHXxeT2e4M2 XD1N50QIIZ9rnzyRdsdJMkzi/cNnQQ7uCRPsjpSqK7aPiyrnua3A29c5QbecD89e lFtal2dw+uoFg/ygkyFIH2ff7w1xX2KFAIGup14glr6Feo221A0xhJHuGk1xY1ZV gkfQMBWFUcS+Znpa0tJIeIdYGb5/rfB9dmiUY5JX6a41Tz1TR3GZIDSnY6wUaAcP YtfoE0+rkLBEXKtiqODKwUGviqrdyGyxb1jOOWvrw0svf5Ny7j16OAcf2BVL8Xi4 yRYv07LaVtSdcZt9H3kAo4QOmIyXRboggCTHaE02apcpOk+pzzB+Hg== =pvCa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Fri Aug 10 00:07:04 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: node implementation status Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We decided to simplify things and cut it down from 7 different implementation status's to 4: Speculative In Testing Operational Disabled Speculative == I'd like to put a node up, but don't yet know where to put it/how to do it. In Testing == I know where i'm going to put my node and i've got the kit, I'm now playing with ranges and connectivty Operational == My node's running Disabled == My node is down for some reason (moved house, lighth=ning strike, hardware failure, etc). Any comments? - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO3MJiwCB+Qwuygl1AQFYEQf/QFVrm5Ghd9Bmr1FhrHnyeDOyQIb/9WCp /LcKZr7CiRkYAXgMPZQZLMxx4ae/gKJiDy3RzB7QwyRuIx5JQB6gMByTeSrCX9An 8H8JxlpINEiF9EcsDq0nSq1psF7ZP6vtbfRnJlResUMA2lgZB2uja9Hw3qn29aLY 12iqE/L7VKQIktcV2QnWRl2wIKHZ0Bta+LPgCzuKf2AxayN//kKsz+5Qsq2JA481 KnUkuF2ZDxr+SLSzv0uKqxqPb98g24lQsFeY1qc/mrO8EtloHTVyN3qccVIw3PQ9 zTU/K8TByXwIqYfoDyWMmVQ/e3TNz3CFdGp1of7fFWr64KRe3Tvh9w== =MPJd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Wed Aug 15 13:14:00 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: new nodedb work in progress site Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ok, it's now reachable at: http://mostly.pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php Still lots of work needed etc. the nodedb dump used here was taken about 10 mins ago. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO3pZewCB+Qwuygl1AQGeswf6ArJu552jAjJF9sQlgCX6vzlXFWfthMpa vusJ5MTvT2uHTInpU87Z/XCCMdt6g3XzxoqSYJ4S+I67yCbrFCJFGW+Y65xcSMxZ sVw9hsODZekw5w9uQnMjPUpkRSoD1//8LI4f2PLqABi3ULbRrywmUjBLnEceGIw1 /fWfPVwkrkDutycn8EJJv+GEJ5Yi9C7WOvv+hdmFC+7PgOjNH9v7vH64oxl689dt qLyYMCjT2uxiTndlaphOdPL58L1iqDQ+H2IFetX4LnFgRwr7ksaT6X+Yu+COQsSo /UwhGcaqeFYLsu/iBIQwNrZ3t76X7DoQdOSkgyeeVFOw344gyGu8kQ== =gX1E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Thu Aug 16 22:36:54 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-nodes] GPS formats was Re: [consume-nodes] Allowed nodes in database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > I intend to keep on using multimap, at least until there is a consume parent > body/organisation/whatever that can pay for a copy of the postzone db (or > get permission to use it for free). Actually it's streetmap.co.uk, and that bit of code has now also been converted to php ;-) I've added a jump to postcode button to: http://pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php this gives the full details: http://pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff/snarf.php The code dosn't yet use the postcode location db table (i.e. it hits streetmap everytime), and the regexp i'm using to verify postcodes may be a little over enthusiastic. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO3wu7ACB+Qwuygl1AQGg/Qf+Pno4CAXrEXKhI/nm0taHUfKvgDIRRxys m5pdJpsmhB3twgV1tK2gNE5Xv8the7AnP2Neo4XL7ZhEmAxKlJ2qjFrb/lEX8wgg JY8bR5nwDKEiavDquGtoDwtwvKPLcHiV5K3T+NwwzkYqUTw5u61Sl7p98rblr9+y +1LnXHvWpogHnP9X18aP6ScqbACZbelk5wTvgvSjh6gRJcBuIijDlgM8Q0yIUzEg pWl2h2iAgkZnA5q3ZU+idKxq5G6dnl+LfXKHqg3/YFQS+ixMnDikRrpJbDMEduzM RBqc7yCZ+UTHZ3o1VAIzrHJiyCoIaSvMFeAhVlOCXRNi898UaBe5QA== =Ga2g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adam at algroup.co.uk Fri Aug 17 11:13:27 2001 From: adam at algroup.co.uk (Adam Laurie) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-thenet] new nodedb work in progress site References: Message-ID: <3B7CE037.BFCC4CE8@algroup.co.uk> Jasper Wallace wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > ok, it's now reachable at: > > http://mostly.pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php > > Still lots of work needed etc. > > the nodedb dump used here was taken about 10 mins ago. > excellent! nice to see some progress... cheers, Adam -- Adam Laurie Tel: +44 (20) 8742 0755 A.L. Digital Ltd. Fax: +44 (20) 8742 5995 The Stores http://www.thebunker.net 2 Bath Road http://www.aldigital.co.uk London W4 1LT mailto:adam@algroup.co.uk UNITED KINGDOM PGP key on keyservers From jasper at pointless.net Fri Aug 17 13:21:53 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] Re: [consume-thenet] new nodedb work in progress site In-Reply-To: <3B7CE037.BFCC4CE8@algroup.co.uk> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Adam Laurie wrote: > Jasper Wallace wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > ok, it's now reachable at: > > > > http://mostly.pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php > > > > Still lots of work needed etc. > > > > the nodedb dump used here was taken about 10 mins ago. > > > > excellent! nice to see some progress... jasper mumbles very quitely about upgrading the software on cave ;-) - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO3z+UwCB+Qwuygl1AQGrxAgAiqs0Ys3NG3ueZGIZzA1ErtrdHblusG5g DJKLvqCZ+dlsEEjj5YBiZE82wcXpxueNWWRhJnxJ8KMuDTRlKe0SLoSAJ/j2wybx H7xp0/U7JY/ocV4112I+GJ79NqRz/FTMQT50eDSFEcUBx1VHNa+VoDLG9KKNJtZq Ysvo5l7q5RyUwlnv9JU7AaW/UkU8ELS9dNMCwNNXX6kkC8fKjfktgz8kVZnu5fMT iwyE4EW20K+Xfbfpp6xfjfwA9UdZz6NTk5y6vxN9n5ChSNiPoUrh5MIAYgTyqGrj BLX6rJOniCf4sMDiRjuKWZDUPDD3/AeNnQaxnDcTsEjzwIv8z3b20g== =VgzY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kim at aldigital.co.uk Fri Aug 17 14:08:18 2001 From: kim at aldigital.co.uk (Kim Hawtin) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] new nodedb work in progress site In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:21:53 BST." References: Message-ID: > > > ok, it's now reachable at: > > > > > > http://mostly.pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php > > > > > > Still lots of work needed etc. > > > > > > the nodedb dump used here was taken about 10 mins ago. > > > > > > > excellent! nice to see some progress... > > jasper mumbles very quitely about upgrading the software on > cave ;-) i like it... its good. one thing that i would suggest, is to add a little key on the map drawn to indicate the scale, or at least, a little scale indicating this equals X Km or miles... the other thing, i liked the maps you made available at the last meet at deckspace. the ones with the links drawn between nodes. ideally one that drew a link to the closest two nodes... (check box, draw links ??? your call tho.) yours, Kim From jasper at pointless.net Fri Aug 17 17:41:15 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] new nodedb work in progress site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Kim Hawtin wrote: > > > > > ok, it's now reachable at: > > > > > > > > http://mostly.pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff/nodedb.php > > > > > > > > Still lots of work needed etc. > > > > > > > > the nodedb dump used here was taken about 10 mins ago. > > > > > > > > > > excellent! nice to see some progress... > > > > jasper mumbles very quitely about upgrading the software on > > cave ;-) > > i like it... its good. > > one thing that i would suggest, is to add a little > key on the map drawn to indicate the scale, or > at least, a little scale indicating this equals > X Km or miles... yeah, i need to sync the blue grid lines to OSGB too. you can see the scale from the drop down menu's, and the light blue grid is a 1km grid. > the other thing, i liked the maps you made > available at the last meet at deckspace. > > the ones with the links drawn between nodes. > ideally one that drew a link to the closest two > nodes... (check box, draw links ??? your call tho.) I'll re-enable that now - it will completly blow up for large maps tho, and remember mostly has a 61Mhz cpu in it ;-) It's not very smart too - it tends to produce fragmented networks. and it will only draw links to nodes that are visible on the map... - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO307HgCB+Qwuygl1AQFkpgf+LPGz5Xs4wR2cBXEmCm7Z3i4Tv1DnZSSo wkluGxjGysrxZK6eH/cHe5EQkrjnmzvuLrXj7DJ2CUJvnrwfOI7Hv13uLcSitGiR 4lf8Mvcm/KPeyCRH2MCXTfx+wKVOblsD5iAgiGlqAhn4mkd4TiP5EIXK6wOiH2oH 3J0XZLnBU2uK3ztArlkwW7Fzo84+HQyQDXp8ImKbq9903Wpsjx5KzFfQRB4FLspf TRpLC57t+sirB6/LpMVvYSgOjOwwV3sTkEouv/YaGME73gAT5YsqCrG6YMHnAvNf 1LoRWERfFK0H/HGi/lefWIQ1MXLFGIFfmr4aUDpOqf5DjV0GIMjJCg== =aMW3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kim at aldigital.co.uk Fri Aug 17 18:42:08 2001 From: kim at aldigital.co.uk (Kim Hawtin) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] new nodedb work in progress site In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:41:15 BST." References: Message-ID: > > one thing that i would suggest, is to add a little > > key on the map drawn to indicate the scale, or > > at least, a little scale indicating this equals > > X Km or miles... > > yeah, i need to sync the blue grid lines to OSGB too. > > you can see the scale from the drop down menu's, and the light blue grid is > a 1km grid. ok, so the grid is always 1Km ? > > the ones with the links drawn between nodes. > > ideally one that drew a link to the closest two > > nodes... (check box, draw links ??? your call tho.) > > I'll re-enable that now - it will completly blow up for large maps tho as an option. > and remember mostly has a 61Mhz cpu in it ;-) owch ... but webserving is all about I/O speed =) and caching it in memory =) > It's not very smart too - it tends to produce fragmented networks. > and it will only draw links to nodes that are visible on the map... this is probably a smart thing anyway =) could you make a tarball of the source somewhere? (email it maybe if its not too big) i would like to have a look at it... thanks. yours, Kim -- \\|||// / / ^ \ ( @ @ ) *-------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------* | | | Kim Hawtin Tel: +44 (20) 8742 0755 | | A.L. Digital Ltd. Fax: +44 (20) 8742 5995 | | The Stores | | 2 Bath Road http://www.thebunker.net | | London W4 1LT http://www.aldigital.co.uk | | UNITED KINGDOM| mailto:kim@aldigital.co.uk | | | *----------------------Oooo.-------------------* .oooO ( | ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From jasper at pointless.net Fri Aug 17 18:31:49 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [consume-resources] new nodedb work in progress site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Kim Hawtin wrote: > > > one thing that i would suggest, is to add a little > > > key on the map drawn to indicate the scale, or > > > at least, a little scale indicating this equals > > > X Km or miles... > > > > yeah, i need to sync the blue grid lines to OSGB too. > > > > you can see the scale from the drop down menu's, and the light blue grid is > > a 1km grid. > > ok, so the grid is always 1Km ? yup. at the moment. > > > the ones with the links drawn between nodes. > > > ideally one that drew a link to the closest two > > > nodes... (check box, draw links ??? your call tho.) > > > > I'll re-enable that now - it will completly blow up for large maps tho > > as an option. thats more like hard work. > > and remember mostly has a 61Mhz cpu in it ;-) > > owch ... but webserving is all about I/O speed =) and > caching it in memory =) No cacheing (yet). > > It's not very smart too - it tends to produce fragmented networks. > > and it will only draw links to nodes that are visible on the map... > > this is probably a smart thing anyway =) > > could you make a tarball of the source somewhere? > (email it maybe if its not too big) > i would like to have a look at it... http://pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff.tar.gz I want to spend the weekend tidying and marking up my notes. - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. [see: http://sysday.tripod.com/time.htm] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBO31HEACB+Qwuygl1AQGu9wf+NoqwZyqTr9B/bI1OhtCsYkwHj4VrQx6x 046h/xlxWdlxLbrTQCFH2Jpci0JNfmOhLVGkhmY1tVq6lzc4gH4cfetw2qJ9GlZe GXp5Hf5YMwrmyX+fE7XgVuFX0Ftge1/VJR3zuLod+B7XoN1zY6y1TpGT8xDGXX+f N0VZ+PSZnRYzrGxe5T6tmMW2znAmfgtFpQba14EXfHsvtNc+MKW+sLhkX9wOe9QN PKEtZ3REKM6e5MKKUeIszHwpvWb722wmwBT3i2Y9Z2Wi8JTKNP0fG+f7qfx5RcN3 f17ZjhTLagUuYOJqV1Vv7aWjOspBXTTFmfAX2Md+5XcMKjlFfK8L+g== =2T+R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Mon Aug 20 23:37:39 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:02 2003 Subject: more new nodedb work Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The database on mostly has been updated to a recent dump. My notes have been htmlerised a little and updated - they are now online here: http://pointless.net/~jasper/consume/docs/new-nodedb/notes.html comments activly encouraged. nodes are now coloured by status. the card-card range circles are now optional you can create an account and login/out (and your logged in status should be persistant, even if you quit your browser). The user accounts are running of the new database format, and i havn't yet writtern a script to dump the old db into the new format, so you can't access your old account, yet. all available @: http://pointless.net/~jasper/php-map-stuff.tar.gz grep for FIXME, XXX and FINISHME send patches, or ask for cvs access. have fun. If you want to work independantly on stuff there's a couple of things i'd like to spin off ;-) - -- When Ted's fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat your Whopper with cheese in his face. He functions better when he's slightly dizzy from hunger. 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