From simon at aldigital.co.uk Thu Jun 7 12:37:49 2001 From: simon at aldigital.co.uk (Simon Anderson) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: JXTA References: <20010426095239.53875.qmail@web10208.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE7FA7A.B6692901@algroup.co.uk> <3AE7FC1A.86B7A76B@thebunker.net> <20010426115649.A315@ns.gbnet.net> <3AE80277.AF3514D9@thebunker.net> Message-ID: <3B1F597D.498837B8@aldigital.co.uk> Potential routing solution. From simon at aldigital.co.uk Thu Jun 7 12:46:44 2001 From: simon at aldigital.co.uk (Simon Anderson) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] JXTA References: <20010426095239.53875.qmail@web10208.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE7FA7A.B6692901@algroup.co.uk> <3AE7FC1A.86B7A76B@thebunker.net> <20010426115649.A315@ns.gbnet.net> <3AE80277.AF3514D9@thebunker.net> <3B1F597D.498837B8@aldigital.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B1F5B94.6A5CF1B6@aldigital.co.uk> An interesting bit for those not interested in reading the hole document "The JXTA protocols allow peers to dynamically route messages across multiple network hops to any destination in the network (potentially traversing firewalls). Each message carries with it either a complete or partial ordered list of gateway peers through which the message might be routed. If a route information is incorrect, the intermediate peer can assist in dynamically finding a new route." Simon Anderson wrote: > > Potential routing solution. > > From their website: > Project JXTA started as a research project incubated at Sun > Microsystems, Inc. under the guidance of Bill Joy and Mike Clary, to > address the peer-to-peer space. Project JXTA addresses the need for an > open, generalized protocol that interoperates with any peer on the > network including PCs, servers and other connected devices. > > I'm still investigating it really, here are some of the detail on the > protocols: > http://platform.jxta.org/spec/v1.0/JXTAProtocols.pdf > > It's released under the Apache lisence. > > Simon. > -- > Simon Anderson Tel:+44 (208) 742 0755 > A.L. Digital Ltd. Mobile:+44 (7890) 375186 > The Stores Fax:+44 (208) 742 5995 > 2 Bath Road http://www.thebunker.net > London W4 1LT http://www.aldigital.co.uk > UNITED KINGDOM mailto:simon@aldigital.co.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-routing-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-routing-help@lists.consume.net -- Simon Anderson Tel:+44 (208) 742 0755 A.L. Digital Ltd. Mobile:+44 (7890) 375186 The Stores Fax:+44 (208) 742 5995 2 Bath Road http://www.thebunker.net London W4 1LT http://www.aldigital.co.uk UNITED KINGDOM mailto:simon@aldigital.co.uk From colinj at inktomi.com Wed Jun 13 18:39:18 2001 From: colinj at inktomi.com (Colin Johnston) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: nat or non nat In-Reply-To: <992449991.60982.ezmlm@lists.consume.net> Message-ID: Hi, Cottenham wireless lan setup i have made uses NAT with apple airport lucent kit. Not seen any problems using private ips for customers(neighbors). Need to get more people interested to host more airport devices :) maybe give a discount if they have connectivity already and then can multihome airport lan between different providers. have noticed ntl accept a rip update for 192.168 :) Colin Johnston Inktomi Support Engineer phone work: +44 207 4305813 mobile phone work: +44 7796 308167 email: colinj@inktomi.com smime signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BGP? > with the providers? not sure how to multihome, thought I might add two static routes on the routers of each provider link so if one goes down it fails over to the other, since all wireless ips are private it is all nat'd anyway so should not be a problem with bgp. > but any traffic from 192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x or > 172.16-31.x.x will be droped upstream because they > are reserved nets ... =) Yeh, but NTL should filter to not allow updates for these networks :) Colin From wireless at inetica.com Mon Jun 25 22:47:58 2001 From: wireless at inetica.com (wireless@inetica.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: design ? Message-ID: this may be a stupid question but here it goes: im new to 802.11b and was wondering ? if i want to setup a remote AP on a hill top with no internet access but has power and line of site to an other ap with net access can the ap with access bridge with the one on the hill top ? or maybe some type of routing prot. (ospf) could be run ? guess in short my question is how do i get net access to my AP on the Hill? Thanks Jason From dphelan at pavilion.co.uk Tue Jun 26 19:59:28 2001 From: dphelan at pavilion.co.uk (Dave Phelan) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] Current routing issues In-Reply-To: <20010507145625.A30979@pkl.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010626185546.0327abe8@pop.pavilion.net> At 14:56 5/7/2001 +0100, Martin Ling wrote: >Why /30's, not /31's, for inter-node point-to-point links? I am so far behind in my email, it's ludicrous. In case no-one has explained this previously, a functional IP subnet needs 4 'host' addresses - one for the network, one for the network *broadcast* address, and one each for the two (minimum) end systems on the subnet. Hence 4 addresses are needed, leading to a /30 netmask. /31 has only 2 addresses, and is pretty much useless [willing to hear contrary arguments to that]. Dave Ph ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Phelan CCIE# 3590 dphelan@pavilion.co.uk +44 (0)7740 186987 A neutron walks into a pub and asks for a pint. The barman serves him and says, "For you sir, no charge." From wireless at inetica.com Tue Jun 26 21:02:28 2001 From: wireless at inetica.com (wireless@inetica.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] Current routing issues In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010626185546.0327abe8@pop.pavilion.net> Message-ID: Dave: that is correct , one ip for network address one for bcast. /31 is useless /30 would give you 4 ips 2 useable . Jason P. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Dave Phelan wrote: > At 14:56 5/7/2001 +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > > >Why /30's, not /31's, for inter-node point-to-point links? > > I am so far behind in my email, it's ludicrous. > > In case no-one has explained this previously, a functional IP subnet needs > 4 'host' addresses - one for the network, one for the network *broadcast* > address, and one each for the two (minimum) end systems on the subnet. > Hence 4 addresses are needed, leading to a /30 netmask. /31 has only 2 > addresses, and is pretty much useless [willing to hear contrary arguments > to that]. > > Dave Ph > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Phelan CCIE# 3590 dphelan@pavilion.co.uk +44 (0)7740 186987 > A neutron walks into a pub and asks for a pint. The barman > serves him and says, "For you sir, no charge." > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-routing-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net > For additional commands, e-mail: consume-routing-help@lists.consume.net > From jasper at pointless.net Wed Jun 27 02:36:31 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] design ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > this may be a stupid question but here it goes: > im new to 802.11b and was wondering ? if i want to setup a remote AP on a > hill top with no internet access but has power and line of site to an > other ap with net access can the ap with access bridge with the one on the > hill top ? or maybe some type of routing prot. (ospf) could be run ? guess > in short my question is how do i get net access to my AP on the Hill? Either will work. (Access points bridge between different wireless hosts, or you can build a consume style node (i.e. a router) and route). - -- "The aurochs was the great, black bull that was painted on cave walls alongside bison and mammoths by tacky prehistoric minimalist artists who had no sense whatsoever of modeling or perspective." [see: http://www.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurochs.html] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBOzkqlACB+Qwuygl1AQEpmQf/UkWD1+yG1ujcCbboFpGSoB7mLtsyrjzL rlSMTrSju0wr6xLtGywwLfjfCnMFjZHO/ZvFBFADJchURjNCacOlguA4HeHeFjP1 vtkHfGEsRLxCoIBlmWi65wupTx3l54XMSGMkrkTeEIwCsifQqJ+xT2E0KFkMgzIg oL5YfAlxdyo3JhGPSTyXhc5CiZT3cyHmKnMPJTRyf7rDuJ73VOkPEBjKxJHYiNOi 6WuaSezkTHsjkm4MkrK02zhQsPYAsx76+KPBhvI2RbzeOBj8yEJ/3A0UjtlXBv/X R0UX4dcYPZAnSm78a8CcGJjtqw69G49Wt+DZIskOz3vuCdJ9SkykPg== =krId -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wireless at inetica.com Tue Jun 26 21:43:49 2001 From: wireless at inetica.com (wireless@inetica.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] design ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: would this require two radio cards in the linux router ? On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > > > this may be a stupid question but here it goes: > > im new to 802.11b and was wondering ? if i want to setup a remote AP on a > > hill top with no internet access but has power and line of site to an > > other ap with net access can the ap with access bridge with the one on the > > hill top ? or maybe some type of routing prot. (ospf) could be run ? guess > > in short my question is how do i get net access to my AP on the Hill? > > Either will work. (Access points bridge between different wireless hosts, or > you can build a consume style node (i.e. a router) and route). > > -- > "The aurochs was the great, black bull that was painted on cave > walls alongside bison and mammoths by tacky prehistoric minimalist > artists who had no sense whatsoever of modeling or perspective." > [see: http://www.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurochs.html] [0x2ECA0975] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! > gpg: Signature made Tue Jun 26 20:36:36 2001 EDT using ? key ID 2ECA0975 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From jasper at pointless.net Wed Jun 27 02:51:34 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] Current routing issues In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010626185546.0327abe8@pop.pavilion.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Dave Phelan wrote: > At 14:56 5/7/2001 +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > > >Why /30's, not /31's, for inter-node point-to-point links? > > I am so far behind in my email, it's ludicrous. > > In case no-one has explained this previously, a functional IP subnet needs > 4 'host' addresses - one for the network, one for the network *broadcast* > address, and one each for the two (minimum) end systems on the subnet. > Hence 4 addresses are needed, leading to a /30 netmask. /31 has only 2 > addresses, and is pretty much useless [willing to hear contrary arguments > to that]. You can use /31's on non-broadcast media (e.g. Point to point links). Hmmm, a virtual point-to-point link pseudo interface over ethernet/802.11b (hardcodeing the mac addresses of the 'other end'). Any kernel hackers on the list? - -- "The aurochs was the great, black bull that was painted on cave walls alongside bison and mammoths by tacky prehistoric minimalist artists who had no sense whatsoever of modeling or perspective." [see: http://www.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurochs.html] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBOzkuGQCB+Qwuygl1AQEP2Qf/SW6OqPZwsX1u6WddSEUWpKGaiuv/xm52 aKK4WNoScqnb+vzIpxSqXncQvVJzevSrAKSS8+yWjKLlCzE8hNEa2b3p+H8iQbBb 1UuQvKFrKaNB4p4oXWVjvf8rpfY40YjLBrPnBGa5XUX8r1o136sx0lLOdMlUMaQw Z3lVJS4xTeWiCuDfahhYEP8HT2MDTzSU1sVLGJTBMJaPYg2uwIFO7JjLeoigWd3M xK27cxPikKMs532BCr6fVX5k+SJRWUCT7PU9yHQocxrOemx329LRFsgxKUWGRIXo LND/YSdufZOa7lhW7xQtN9KDvE9bejFD3vdKfN5ET/5cHDMFzkRumg== =VV5o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasper at pointless.net Wed Jun 27 02:59:03 2001 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] design ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > would this require two radio cards in the linux router ? Just to clarify are you doing: a: ._. .____. ._. |A|<---->|Hill|<----->|B| `-' `----' `-' b: ._. .____. |A|<---->|Hill| `-' `----' If a: then you can use one or two cards with one you'll need to configure two ip subnets on the one card, one thats shared with A, and one thats shared with B. This may be a bit slower than using two cards. With two cards you have the A<->Hill subnet on one, and the B<->Hill subnet on the other. You'll also need to think about antenna's etc. (I've seen a splitter on a us website, but it's way too late now to go hunting links). If b: then you only need one at each end. > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > > > > > this may be a stupid question but here it goes: > > > im new to 802.11b and was wondering ? if i want to setup a remote AP on a > > > hill top with no internet access but has power and line of site to an > > > other ap with net access can the ap with access bridge with the one on the > > > hill top ? or maybe some type of routing prot. (ospf) could be run ? guess > > > in short my question is how do i get net access to my AP on the Hill? > > > > Either will work. (Access points bridge between different wireless hosts, or > > you can build a consume style node (i.e. a router) and route). - -- "The aurochs was the great, black bull that was painted on cave walls alongside bison and mammoths by tacky prehistoric minimalist artists who had no sense whatsoever of modeling or perspective." [see: http://www.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurochs.html] [0x2ECA0975] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBOzkv2QCB+Qwuygl1AQG/RwgAmVz5XLRpOFdQ7bHpOSZekhejwXqS27IB wcMx0CtMGruMDRV3A0sTbcP6AtIRvqOUSSaz88qmTax6iOZMP9g1Zb9UYxz5NrJ8 R0ivpc8+1lIiREdXpQ1FCtFvNudmRD1Ad+onH2X2UXdz2EfFa/24r4d3RrtyBOFd feXZtGTx6T/Bo/p2gQe5e6J3liJQ6xuynqbfhhgiZBS6QVyuEStE831BarteUqM3 DsX3ZVMJ+570kfAe75ANjdZYaQNOh0ZX/66vb02vb0JiHizICWe02UIssjJhwGJ3 uP91SiuARHhAoKfMbMr2vubAU4uxrH3Z4ihQ4p8wvjSEQ8QEZl0f9w== =/xZb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wireless at inetica.com Tue Jun 26 22:15:10 2001 From: wireless at inetica.com (wireless@inetica.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] design ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Letter A: is the plan. trying to get access to a area that has none , would like to place a remote ap with solar power and back hall the internet access from the a location. - On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > > > would this require two radio cards in the linux router ? > > Just to clarify are you doing: > > a: > > ._. .____. ._. > |A|<---->|Hill|<----->|B| > `-' `----' `-' > > b: > > ._. .____. > |A|<---->|Hill| > `-' `----' > > If a: then you can use one or two cards > > with one you'll need to configure two ip subnets on the one card, > one thats shared with A, and one thats shared with B. > > This may be a bit slower than using two cards. > > With two cards you have the A<->Hill subnet on one, and the B<->Hill subnet > on the other. > > You'll also need to think about antenna's etc. (I've seen a splitter on a us > website, but it's way too late now to go hunting links). > > If b: then you only need one at each end. > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > > > > > > > this may be a stupid question but here it goes: > > > > im new to 802.11b and was wondering ? if i want to setup a remote AP on a > > > > hill top with no internet access but has power and line of site to an > > > > other ap with net access can the ap with access bridge with the one on the > > > > hill top ? or maybe some type of routing prot. (ospf) could be run ? guess > > > > in short my question is how do i get net access to my AP on the Hill? > > > > > > Either will work. (Access points bridge between different wireless hosts, or > > > you can build a consume style node (i.e. a router) and route). > > -- > "The aurochs was the great, black bull that was painted on cave > walls alongside bison and mammoths by tacky prehistoric minimalist > artists who had no sense whatsoever of modeling or perspective." > [see: http://www.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurochs.html] [0x2ECA0975] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! > gpg: Signature made Tue Jun 26 20:59:05 2001 EDT using ? key ID 2ECA0975 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From leo at bind.org Wed Jun 27 11:03:54 2001 From: leo at bind.org (leo vegoda) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] Current routing issues In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010626185546.0327abe8@pop.pavilion.net>; from dphelan@pavilion.co.uk on Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 06:59:28PM +0100 References: <20010507145625.A30979@pkl.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20010626185546.0327abe8@pop.pavilion.net> Message-ID: <20010627100354.A22250@bind.org> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 06:59:28PM +0100, Dave Phelan (dphelan@pavilion.co.uk) wrote: Re: Re: [consume-routing] Current routing issues > At 14:56 5/7/2001 +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > > >Why /30's, not /31's, for inter-node point-to-point links? > > I am so far behind in my email, it's ludicrous. > > In case no-one has explained this previously, a functional IP subnet needs > 4 'host' addresses - one for the network, one for the network *broadcast* > address, and one each for the two (minimum) end systems on the subnet. > Hence 4 addresses are needed, leading to a /30 netmask. /31 has only 2 > addresses, and is pretty much useless [willing to hear contrary arguments > to that]. There is a Standards Track RFC on this issue, RFC3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links. It's an interesting read. Regards, -- leo vegoda "One size never fits all" RFC1925 - The Twelve Networking Truths From lyndon at fusionone.com Thu Jun 28 17:39:49 2001 From: lyndon at fusionone.com (Lyndon David) Date: Sun Jan 19 18:24:08 2003 Subject: [consume-routing] design ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How far are A and B from Hill ? I suppose this will decide on the types of antenna that are required. Power is always a problem with remote locations. Top of a hill might have more wind energy than solar. Probably more expensive though. Making the thing use little power helps as well as not having to produce 240v to power the thing. It would seem that an old laptop with the screen turned off has many of the desired properties and has the advantage of having built in UPS. http://www.e-marine-inc.com/products/wind_generators/wind_generator.html -----Original Message----- From: wireless@inetica.com [mailto:wireless@inetica.com] Sent: 27 June 2001 02:15 To: consume-routing@lists.consume.net Subject: Re: [consume-routing] design ? Letter A: is the plan. trying to get access to a area that has none , would like to place a remote ap with solar power and back hall the internet access from the a location. - On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > > > would this require two radio cards in the linux router ? > > Just to clarify are you doing: > > a: > > ._. .____. ._. > |A|<---->|Hill|<----->|B| > `-' `----' `-' > > b: > > ._. .____. > |A|<---->|Hill| > `-' `----' > > If a: then you can use one or two cards > > with one you'll need to configure two ip subnets on the one card, > one thats shared with A, and one thats shared with B. > > This may be a bit slower than using two cards. > > With two cards you have the A<->Hill subnet on one, and the B<->Hill subnet > on the other. > > You'll also need to think about antenna's etc. (I've seen a splitter on a us > website, but it's way too late now to go hunting links). > > If b: then you only need one at each end. > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Jasper Wallace wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 wireless@inetica.com wrote: > > > > > > > this may be a stupid question but here it goes: > > > > im new to 802.11b and was wondering ? if i want to setup a remote AP on a > > > > hill top with no internet access but has power and line of site to an > > > > other ap with net access can the ap with access bridge with the one on the > > > > hill top ? or maybe some type of routing prot. (ospf) could be run ? guess > > > > in short my question is how do i get net access to my AP on the Hill? > > > > > > Either will work. (Access points bridge between different wireless hosts, or > > > you can build a consume style node (i.e. a router) and route). > > -- > "The aurochs was the great, black bull that was painted on cave > walls alongside bison and mammoths by tacky prehistoric minimalist > artists who had no sense whatsoever of modeling or perspective." > [see: http://www.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurochs.html] [0x2ECA0975] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! > gpg: Signature made Tue Jun 26 20:59:05 2001 EDT using ? key ID 2ECA0975 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: consume-routing-unsubscribe@lists.consume.net For additional commands, e-mail: consume-routing-help@lists.consume.net